2pm? Put by the same incompetent fools as the Raven show that never happened a few weeks back(the band blamed the promoter for not having his shit together...) No thanks.
2 pm start = no one will ever know about this and will show up at 8.
This. Bringing 250 bucks or so to a "promoter" in order to play for an audience of everybody's moms and high school friends is a sure-fire way to "make it in the biz.". (If by "make it in the biz", you mean "end up a bitter old douche who's still bragging about playing with Blackguard and Neuraxis one times 20 years later".)
Make you a deal, pay to pay promoters: since I'm in a band and I'm apparently responsible for all the legwork of actually making sure people show up (or at least put in their $20 so Russell at the office will STFU about his kid's "gig"), how about you buy gear, write material, rehearse, show up, set up, and play, and I'll collect the door. Deal? Cool.
Make you a deal, pay to pay promoters: since I'm in a band and I'm apparently responsible for all the legwork of actually making sure people show up (or at least put in their $20 so Russell at the office will STFU about his kid's "gig"), how about you buy gear, write material, rehearse, show up, set up, and play, and I'll collect the door. Deal? Cool.
A+++
post by FuckIsMySignature at Mar 3,2011 6:19pm edited Mar 3,2011 6:19pm
quality not quantiy sir. every show i've booked i did the promo for it (with some help from bands) and paid those bands without making them sell tickets. also the shows have been fun with good music.
Why do you think most clubs have either closed down or don't want to do original bands anymore...
Because they suck at booking/promoting the shows themselves?
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 3,2011 7:00pm
Take a look at the Palladium. Most bands on here will never get to play there. 'Cause, the bands don't want to do any work getting people through the door. If you get asked to open for somebody in the big room you have to sell 100 tickets (upstairs it's 50). If you want to play in Boston at the "big" places, you'll have to buy your way onto the show. Rocko's, Club Hell, the Met, the Amber Room, Club Texas and so on will also have you sell tickets... Here's a list of what has to get paid : the National bands, sound, staff, advertising... to make the show work.
post by Headbanging Man at Mar 3,2011 7:02pm
There's no way that more than 80 people give a shit about CSDO!
Pretty sure I didn't have to sell tickets to play at Club Hell.
Also, you're a fucking douche. Boston's longest running thrash band? Moar like Boston's longest running joke.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 3,2011 7:07pm
Whatever... I've personally sold almost 3000 cd's myself. And, we keep getting asked to do the festivals in Europe. We've turned it down 3 times already. We have to hold on to our jobs. Plus, we've gotten asked to tour the states a couple of times over the past 2 to 3 years.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 3,2011 7:10pm
You guys are horrible... You give metal a bad name.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 3,2011 7:12pm
New England's Thrash band not Boston. We're not from Boston.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 3,2011 7:13pm
John at Club Hell makes everybody who isn't signed sell tickets.
Take a look at the Palladium. If you come asking to open for somebody in the big room with your hat in your hand like a schnook, you have to sell 100 tickets (upstairs it's 50). Otherwise you have to get there on merit.
I know! Can you believe that someone on this forum put out our record and others actually bought it? What a bunch of idiots!
post by The Truth at Mar 3,2011 9:03pm
Seriously eric (CSDO) cut the shit man if you cannot come up with the guarantee for the headliners then you shouldn't be a promoter if you don't want get off your ass and promote to make your money back then talk to real promoters like Robing and Blue they can teach you a fe things and will show you how to promote the right without having to fuck the bands over and do the leg work for you Robing and Blue have booked local bands before and i never heard them asking local acts to sell tickets for them, plain and simple if you dont have the cash for the guarantee then don't promote
post by NOPE at Mar 3,2011 9:08pm
The bands he gets to do this are usually some high school or just out of high school dipshits that don't know any better. Eric keeps getting older but they stay the same age!
post by divine intervention at Mar 3,2011 9:08pm
here we go. these dimbulbs don't have any idea. wow a couple of dopes puting on some small local shows.
Watain was the best local band I've ever seen sell out the Middle East Downstairs... TWICE
post by Jim Maz ex-CSDO drummer at Mar 3,2011 9:17pm
Now I haven't been in the band in years. But, Eric has always been quite the business man. I think most of you know, besides CSDO, he helps run 4 adult stores. He's doing pretty good. As for putting on shows, Eric is right. I remember selling tickets for a lot of shows we did and it paid off. Besides getting the place packed, we made money, too.
post by Bernie's lapdogs at Mar 3,2011 9:20pm
Eric pretending to be Jim%20Maz%20ex-CSDO%20drummer said
Now I haven't been in the band in years. But, Eric has always been quite the business man. I think most of you know, besides CSDO, he helps run 4 adult stores. He's doing pretty good. As for putting on shows, Eric is right. I remember selling tickets for a lot of shows we did and it paid off. Besides getting the place packed, we made money, too.
The bands he gets to do this are usually some high school or just out of high school dipshits that don't know any better. Eric keeps getting older but they stay the same age!
You clearly have no clue what bands these two guys have booked so you dont know what the fuck you are talking about
John at Club Hell makes everybody who isn't signed sell tickets.
FALSE!!! Sorry bro Ive been doing shows with John for a long time and never once had to sell one ticket, never had to pay to get on a show. usually walk away with John paying a good chunk o change to the bands and getting us pretty fucked up.
never had to sell tickets to play the Middle East and we were asked to open for a few nationals that rolled thru down stairs and up stairs. Middle east treated us great and got payed pretty well...
hard work does pay off...selling tickets to your friends and your friends mom doesn't
Eric you seem like good guy man and Ive seen you guys for many many years, but Selling tickets is still PAY to PLAY no matter how you cut it and it's LAME
post by nekronaut at Mar 4,2011 2:43am edited Mar 4,2011 2:47am
Taken from the Metal Archives page:
Perpetual local openers for every terrible thrash and death metal band that comes to Rocko's. The band is infamous for their incredibly retarded "pay to play" method in which they con unknowing bands to do all the work for the promoter and cash in on it. The name was influenced by a gay porno film titled "Candy Striper Man Orgy."
Eric Paone is the founder and only original member of Candy Striper Death Orgy, and has appeared on all releases. Eric Paone has sold almost 3,000 CDs all by himself.
In addition to their official discography there is a full length album that has been recorded, but remains unreleased because nobody is stupid enough to fund it.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 4:12am
listen fags, not one of you have done the things I have. Your stupid fucking show with 50 people attending mean shit. I know joey belladonna idiots. If you can't sell tickets..... fuck you then quit.
I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS I KNOW JOEY BELLADONNA IDIOTS
lol @ sticking around for 20 years and just barely sliding into Metal Archives on the strength of a Screaming Ferret EP
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 11:34am
I see some fuckin' prick was just posting under my name... How lame is that!! Hey "DestroyYouAlot" what have done over the years, except for looking like a child molester? And what about you Nekronaut? Fronting a shitty headache band?
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 11:37am
And you other dopes, your bands won't be here in another 2 to 3 years... Take a look at the shit that was slung at me back in 2004 on this website. Most of those bands, if not all, broke up within 2 to 3 years
No such thing as a Candy Stripper Death Orgy. That's just ridiculous.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 11:43am
"FuckIsMySignature" no they don't have you buy tickets up front. They give you 50 and you go and sell them. And "SinsOfAngels" at Club Hell you guys didn't have to sell tickets 'cause you were friends with Pete Durell. John had everybody else sell tickets for National shows. We had to sell 35 to be on the Harley's War show. We didin't have to sell anything for the Lizzy Borden show 'cause we let them use our drums and cabs.
post by FuckIsMySignature at Mar 4,2011 11:45am edited Mar 4,2011 11:45am
ya but what happens if you dont sell the necessary amount of tickets? do you get booted from teh show or do you have pay for the rest of them?
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 11:46am
Sometimes you have to pay for the rest of them... If it's only 5 nobody's gonna care.
post by lolol at Mar 4,2011 11:47am
Dumb people are dumb. Everyone needs to STFU & go do something productive, like grow up.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 11:48am
Sometimes you have to pay for the rest of them... If it's only 5 nobody's gonna care.
this is the part of the situation thats wrong. i can understand getting a stack of tickets and trying to presell them (although its fucking annoying especially when you dont know your set time and the show is out of state)... but holding the band responsible for unsold tickets is unjustifiable.
I see some fuckin' prick was just posting under my name... How lame is that!! Hey "DestroyYouAlot" what have done over the years, except for looking like a child molester?
implying that isn't enough
And what about you Nekronaut? Fronting a shitty headache band?
YOU CRAZY KIDS WITH YOUR RAPE YOUR MOTHER KILL YOUR FATHER MUSIC, WHY CAN'T YOU TURN THAT CRAP DOWN AND GET OFF MY LAWN
WHERE ARE MY LAWRENCE WELK RECORDS
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 12:48pm
post by Clark Griswal at Mar 4,2011 12:50pm
Let's go sell tickets and play Wally's World
post by Oi Vey! at Mar 4,2011 12:55pm
Eric and Bernie are good jewish boys! Sell the tickets goyim!
You guys are dicks. Most everyone in the music buisness lost my number years ago but Eric takes all my calls. He even gave me a discount on a slightly used butt plug at one of his stores.
eric, you know exactly who i am so feel free to take some shots. i have been doing this shit for a while now, though not nearly as long as you (10+ years). i have never played a single show where i was required to pony up money for tickets, and i dont have problems pulling people in.
i promote the shit out of my shows i play/book, and told anyone that tried to make me come up with money to FUCK OFF (case in point: eyehategod last may @ rockos). in turn the shitty promoter (new england concerts) did what sketchy promoters do: cancel the show because no one will do the dirty work and come up with the tour money for them.
when i book a tour, i dont make locals sell tickets or pay. i promote the show myself by flyering heavily and lots of online promotion. when new england concerts books a tour, they do no promotion whatsoever and make the bands pay for the tour. the recent nile show at rockos was a great example of this 'do no work' policy. you are just perpetuating the same style, maybe with a slight bit more promotion. but not by much.
with this 'fuck pay to play' attitude, i have managed to play the palladium more times than CSDO and not have to pay for any unsold tickets. played club hell more times than i can count and never sold a single ticket. never had a problem attendance either. also played to way more than 80 people.
dont tell people its not raining when you're pissing on them, and dont try to convince people its not pay to play when it clearly is.
also dont brag about all the tours youve turned down. be a man and fucking tour LIKE A REAL METALHEAD. put out a full length while youre at it.
and dont tell people that theyre never going to make it with their 'shitty' attitude because youre not going to make it with your 'pay to play, shit talk everyone and never leave new england ever' attitude either.
you whine about how all these bands not being around in 3-4 years...but the fact of the matter is those bands will have accomplished just as much if not more than you have in the 20+ years youve been trying to keep CSDO together.
Whatever... I've personally sold almost 3000 cd's myself.
Yeah, but subtracting used copies of Handle With Care and that ultra-hot VCD of you and your sister dry-humping, we're talking about maybe 8 CSDO discs... That might be on the high side.
eric, you know exactly who i am so feel free to take some shots. i have been doing this shit for a while now, though not nearly as long as you (10+ years). i have never played a single show where i was required to pony up money for tickets, and i dont have problems pulling people in.
i promote the shit out of my shows i play/book, and told anyone that tried to make me come up with money to FUCK OFF (case in point: eyehategod last may @ rockos). in turn the shitty promoter (new england concerts) did what sketchy promoters do: cancel the show because no one will do the dirty work and come up with the tour money for them.
when i book a tour, i dont make locals sell tickets or pay. i promote the show myself by flyering heavily and lots of online promotion. when new england concerts books a tour, they do no promotion whatsoever and make the bands pay for the tour. the recent nile show at rockos was a great example of this 'do no work' policy. you are just perpetuating the same style, maybe with a slight bit more promotion. but not by much.
with this 'fuck pay to play' attitude, i have managed to play the palladium more times than CSDO and not have to pay for any unsold tickets. played club hell more times than i can count and never sold a single ticket. never had a problem attendance either. also played to way more than 80 people.
dont tell people its not raining when you're pissing on them, and dont try to convince people its not pay to play when it clearly is.
also dont brag about all the tours youve turned down. be a man and fucking tour LIKE A REAL METALHEAD. put out a full length while youre at it.
and dont tell people that theyre never going to make it with their 'shitty' attitude because youre not going to make it with your 'pay to play, shit talk everyone and never leave new england ever' attitude either.
you whine about how all these bands not being around in 3-4 years...but the fact of the matter is those bands will have accomplished just as much if not more than you have in the 20+ years youve been trying to keep CSDO together.
/end rant
*slow clap*
AMEN.
post by devil at Mar 4,2011 4:39pm
Ereek you need to stop bragging about shit if you want people to respect you, more humble bro. Also you need to drop that whole rockstar attitude and start booking shows with local bands, it seems to me you'd only play a show if it involves a big name....
"FuckIsMySignature" no they don't have you buy tickets up front. They give you 50 and you go and sell them. And "SinsOfAngels" at Club Hell you guys didn't have to sell tickets 'cause you were friends with Pete Durell. John had everybody else sell tickets for National shows. We had to sell 35 to be on the Harley's War show. We didin't have to sell anything for the Lizzy Borden show 'cause we let them use our drums and cabs.
Sorry man again you have no clue what you are talking about...John Put us on many, many, shows cause he knows we hustle with promo and we don't have a problem bringing in heads to his shows. And who the hell is "Pete Durell??"
I'm with Blue on this one Ive been doing this music shit for quite a long time and never have I once been asked to PAY to PLAY, well Rocko's came calling once and WE said no cause we are agaist it. never had a problem getting shows at the Middle East, Club Hell, AS220, The MET, Etc ..all with Nationals with the promoters called us to play and....payed us!!!
Eric if John had you sell tickets for a show bro.....i hate to tell you he realy thinks your band can't do shit then cause your the ONLY band I ever heard of him doing that with and likeI said I go back with John a long way!!! ...sorry
ya but what happens if you dont sell the necessary amount of tickets? do you get booted from teh show or do you have pay for the rest of them?
For this show they gave us tickets and said we didn't need to sell them all. Basically do whatever you can. This show was last minute and I'm not paying for the 50-100 extra tickets (that they didnt even count) that we can't sell. If there was a requirement for tickets, I wouldn't be in this thread right now
ya but what happens if you dont sell the necessary amount of tickets? do you get booted from teh show or do you have pay for the rest of them?
For this show they gave us tickets and said we didn't need to sell them all. Basically do whatever you can. This show was last minute and I'm not paying for the 50-100 extra tickets (that they didnt even count) that we can't sell. If there was a requirement for tickets, I wouldn't be in this thread right now
well thats good. as long as they dont make you pay for unsold tickets..
post by RustyPS should be working at Mar 4,2011 7:36pm
HYEO played with Trap Them at Club Hell just before they released Seizures In Barren Praise...we didn't have to sell tickets, and we were not friends with Pete or John....just my $0.02
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 7:56pm
O.k. you idiots... You guys brag. I'm just telling you what we've done. And, we've done way more than a lot of you on this board. You guys act like big shots on here. You even dump on your friends bands. You get all hot and bothered when I bring up names of bands we've played with and toured with over the years. Most of you have never played with any Nationals. Go to our website : www.csdo.net
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 7:58pm
You can check out a list of all the Nationals we've played with at our site.
post by RustyPS should be working at Mar 4,2011 8:00pm
I'm not bragging about anything, just stating a fact
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 4,2011 8:00pm
You don't care 'cause you're stuck in your little internet world. I love that video that was put up. That show was with RAZORMAZE!! Ha ha... So, sometimes us bigger bands don't do so well. I know some of you on here like to shit on them too. But, I think they're a good band...
why do you need rttps approval so bad? if we are all a bunch of lowlifes who's opinions dont matter then why do you keep posting on here? you are just perpetuating your own misery. this is how it is, how its always been and probably how it will always be. find another resource for bands or get used to the constant disaproval and mockery of your business practices.
post by devil at Mar 4,2011 8:03pm
There's no need to tell what you've done unless someone is asking which is not the case here...
I've played downstairs Palladium and don't remember having to sell tickets to it. That was the Summer Slaughter tour date in 09. I don't remember CSDO playing that.
eric, you know exactly who i am so feel free to take some shots. i have been doing this shit for a while now, though not nearly as long as you (10+ years). i have never played a single show where i was required to pony up money for tickets, and i dont have problems pulling people in.
i promote the shit out of my shows i play/book, and told anyone that tried to make me come up with money to FUCK OFF (case in point: eyehategod last may @ rockos). in turn the shitty promoter (new england concerts) did what sketchy promoters do: cancel the show because no one will do the dirty work and come up with the tour money for them.
That is exactly my point.... well sayd Blue so i sayd it and i will say it again if you want to learn how to promote national acts and have local bands open without having to sell tickets for you! talk to Blue cuz the man knows what he is talking about you brag about how much shit you have done and the end result is NOTHING... more work and less talk please
when i book a tour, i dont make locals sell tickets or pay. i promote the show myself by flyering heavily and lots of online promotion. when new england concerts books a tour, they do no promotion whatsoever and make the bands pay for the tour. the recent nile show at rockos was a great example of this 'do no work' policy. you are just perpetuating the same style, maybe with a slight bit more promotion. but not by much.
with this 'fuck pay to play' attitude, i have managed to play the palladium more times than CSDO and not have to pay for any unsold tickets. played club hell more times than i can count and never sold a single ticket. never had a problem attendance either. also played to way more than 80 people.
dont tell people its not raining when you're pissing on them, and dont try to convince people its not pay to play when it clearly is.
also dont brag about all the tours youve turned down. be a man and fucking tour LIKE A REAL METALHEAD. put out a full length while youre at it.
and dont tell people that theyre never going to make it with their 'shitty' attitude because youre not going to make it with your 'pay to play, shit talk everyone and never leave new england ever' attitude either.
you whine about how all these bands not being around in 3-4 years...but the fact of the matter is those bands will have accomplished just as much if not more than you have in the 20+ years youve been trying to keep CSDO together.
/end rant
post by The Truth at Mar 4,2011 10:32pm
That is exactly my point.... well sayd Blue so i sayd it and i will say it in if you want to learn how to promote national acts and have local bands open without having to sell tickets for you! talk to Blue cuz the man knows what he is talking about you brag about how much shit you have done and the end result is NOTHING... more work and less talk please
You don't care 'cause you're stuck in your little internet world. I love that video that was put up. That show was with RAZORMAZE!! Ha ha... So, sometimes us bigger bands don't do so well.
post by W3 nli at Mar 4,2011 11:49pm
this was a lot of fun reading while stoned, thank you internet.
Divine Intervention is Eric. Self-fag all up in this thread.
Suspected this for YEARS, but I have a feeling it's just one of their friends. (I.e., the guy who gets hit up every time Eric has to sell tix.)
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 5,2011 12:29pm
It's not me jack-off's... It's a friend of our band. Nekronaut is a gaybait. And, his band totally blows dog...
post by howiehowe at Mar 5,2011 12:35pm
Getting on a show with a national is a commitment for the whole show - telling your fans to come for your set time is not honoring your commitment to the show overall. It is not abaut just you and your band, it is about the whole show. I would not book a band again whose only interest was in in promoting for themselves - while at the same expecting to gain new fans on the backs of other bands. In fact when bands ask me what their set time is on a show, unless they are the headliner, I wont tell them until they get there, and if they don't draw at least 50, I will tear up their name card and tell them to never call me again. If you can't draw 50 people you suck - go get a job at a club as a barback.
post by howiehowe at Mar 5,2011 12:48pm
And Pay to Play is buying the tickets up front, and selling them to get your money back, if you can - it is not being fronted to tickets to sell. If you take a show with a ticket sale commitment, you are agreeing to do the job of selling them - if you don't sell them you broke your commitment - if you don't even try to sell them and end up paying for them, it is still not pay to play, it is an indication that your word was no good.
Thread's too long. Will not read. I assume it goes
CSDO: Sell tickets!
RTTP: GTFO
CSDO: its called work. Your band sucks.
RTTP: No, you're old, lazy, fat and YOUR band sucks.
CSDO: I know Joey Belladonna and think the music scene hasn't changed in 20 years.
RTTP: Teh lulz
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 5,2011 1:19pm
Getting on a show with a national is a commitment for the whole show - telling your fans to come for your set time is not honoring your commitment to the show overall. It is not abaut just you and your band, it is about the whole show. I would not book a band again whose only interest was in in promoting for themselves - while at the same expecting to gain new fans on the backs of other bands. n fact when bands ask me what their set time is on a show, unless they are the headliner, I wont tell them until they get there, and if they don't draw at least 50, I will tear up their name card and tell them to never call me again. If you can't draw 50 people you suck - go get a job at a club as a barback.
hahahahaha you run nothing
way to be an unprofessional douche to people too dumb to call you on your shit.
post by markworkingrichards at Mar 5,2011 1:33pm
I heard there's dog-blowing somewhere in this thread?
I think what this thread shows, if anything, is that - slowly but surely - these fuckers (the guilty clubs and promoters) are actually being edged out of working with any legitimate local acts, to the point where they're begging for somebody to show up and play (and to bring their parents' cash). THIS EDUCATION SHIT WORKS.
Now if we can just start edging out the bands... [/dramatic ellipsis]
post by markworkingrichards at Mar 5,2011 1:35pm
Still, nothing about dog-blowing. Thread does not deliver.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 5,2011 2:30pm
Bottom line is if your band does not agree with the way we do things then your band sucks! If you agree with the way we do things your band rocks! Get with the program AND BRING BACK THE THRASH!
Lol @ 179 posts in this thread none of which are about this show. Most people posting here have probably forgot that this thread was intended to inform people about this gay blackguard show.
Bottom line is if your band does not agree with the way we do things then your band sucks! If you agree with the way we do things your band rocks! Get with the program AND BRING BACK THE THRASH!
a number of the bands that disagree with you have toured Europe and toured with nationals and have made a name for themselves. Are you saying they suck? Or are you jealous that they're more successful than you?
Obviously for bands who have a chip on their shoulder - let me put this in simple terms - it is not the job of the promoter (or club) to provide you with an audience, it is the job of the promoter (or club) to bring in bands that actually have fans willing to pay to see them. National acts don't want you on their bill no matter what they say unless you can help promote and add to the audience. There is no such thing as an opening act, they are referred to legally as "Suppprt Acts" and the duty of a support act is to support the headliner by bringing in additional audience. Local acts want to act like their not being mentioned in advertising is some sort of a slight - worng - contracts with nationals usually require that they receive 100% of all promotion and advertsing - now if they get 100% what do the local acts get? The answer is Zero by contractural obligation - so if a Prmoter does put your name on a poster. or in advertising, consider it a gift that is actually in violation of their contract witht the headliner. One last thing, nobody forces you to take a gig anywhere - if you want to play then you have an obligation to do your job, which is far more than just getting on stage.
post by howiehowe at Mar 5,2011 6:48pm
One last note - if any of you have any idea of getting signed to any label with any kind fo real distribution take note: The labels want to know you have a market for your material, and they judge that by how many come to your shows. The time when labels signed bands becasue they liked what they do is long over - it is about numbers - if you can't get 50 people to pay to see you then why should a label risk money on you?
I think what this thread shows, if anything, is that - slowly but surely - these fuckers (the guilty clubs and promoters) are actually being edged out of working with any legitimate local acts, to the point where they're begging for somebody to show up and play (and to bring their parents' cash). THIS EDUCATION SHIT WORKS.
Now if we can just start edging out the bands... [/dramatic ellipsis]
Now that's hilarious - problem is there are way too many bands and not enough shows, so the fact is we promoters turn down more bands than we have play, and for the most part, many will do what it takes to get on a show, including selling tickets - however they get mad when they find they wrote out a check with the mouths their ass can't cash, and they are called on it!
If the promoter tells you that you need to sell tickets to be on the show, and you accept the show under those terms, but don't sell them - who really is the scumbag?
There are plenty of labels that have artistic integrity in what they sign.... and yes they have good distribution and their bands play round the world.
VAN records
Ajna Offensive
Bindrune Recordings
Profound Lore Records
Just to name a few
The fact of the matter is that no one has a problem with promoter's like Robin from Ammonia booking who books amazing shows (with the numbers to back it ) without making bands sign contracts to sell tickets... But there sure are plenty of people that HATE you dudes.... Just does not add up Howie Ho
post by howiehowe at Mar 5,2011 8:32pm
No sweat off my back - I'm not begging any of you to play, because quite honestly, we don't need you. I came here for laughs - I got them, and now I know a bunch of bands that will never play any of the venues or shows I set up, and I ahve opened several in the last few weeks you will be begging to play. If you think your comments concern me, then the joke really is on you!
The bands we put on this show will draw, volunteerd to be on the show, and agreed to sell tickets, which is probably because they have fans who will actually pay to see them. And the ones who really do the job will get bigger and better shows all over New England.
I've heard this crap for years, and eventually I see those who would not listen long out of the business, trying to figure why they never got anywhere, and blaming everyboidy but themselves for their failure. Good luck flippin' burgers in your future!
post by Paul CNV at Mar 5,2011 8:42pm
Bwahahaha ... Ok Howie... Yeah you obviously fucking run the show here in New England. Please forgive me your majesty....
and ps... I've never begged to play... I'm not in this to be a rock star ... ( or a money grubbin scab )
Bwahahaha ... Ok Howie... Yeah you obviously fucking run the show here in New England. Please forgive me your majesty....
and ps... I've never begged to play... I'm not in this to be a rock star ... ( or a money grubbin scab )
SOLIDARITY BROTHER
post by BSV at Mar 6,2011 1:54am
fucking missed my bro's in neuraxis last time due to snow plowing. can't wait to smoke shit tons of pot with all the bands and not pay for the show! bands who want money are gay. only bands who like drugs are real, get with it! can't even drink on stage in NH, live free or what?
Any metalhead that CARES about what "national acts" they've played with, how many fans they have, or any other superficial nonsense aren't real metalheads.
Who the fuck cares. And Blue's right. Pay to play should not be relevant with metal bands.
post by Paul CNV at Mar 6,2011 3:44am
In a perfect world people and family would be shot and buried in a mass grave
post by JustinBOTG nli at Mar 6,2011 8:15am
In a perfect world, these faggot promoters and pay to play band whores would all die in a fire.
Sometimes you have to pay for the rest of them... If it's only 5 nobody's gonna care.
So what you're really saying is, the promoters don't really give a shit if you bring people through the door, as long as you give them all the money for each ticket they told you to sell. Why the fuck would you want to pay for the rest of the tickets you didn't sell if they want you to "bring people through the door". fucking idiots
listen fags, not one of you have done the things I have. Your stupid fucking show with 50 people attending mean shit. I know joey belladonna idiots. If you can't sell tickets..... fuck you then quit.
If you can't write good genuine music and be a human being. Then quit music and hang yourself.
Metal is not about money. Never was, never is.
Business, obviously, is about it though. It's about profit.
Someone has to draw the line about this somewhere.
post by markworkingrichards at Mar 6,2011 9:50am
I don't understand why anyone who comes to this board on a semi-regular basis promoting pay-to-play (or "work-to-play" if it really makes you feel better) tries to put up a fight. It's so fucking obvious that 99% of everyone on this board will never take it seriously, and it's hilarious to watch you squirm trying to convert people, followed by berating everyone who doesn't agree. A lot of us have done it in the past and realized how unfitting it is for underground music.
If there are a handful of bands that keep doing pay-to-play to make the "promoter's" job easier, good for you, no one gives a shit and they'll eventually realize it's fucking retarded. If you've found your niche, stick with it and I wish you much luck in your endeavors, but don't expect anyone else to agree because you've played with this band and that band and you've turned down this tour, this festival in Europe, I've sold X amount of CDs all by myself like a big boy, blah blah blah. That shit is so fucking tired, stale and childish. No one on this board takes it seriously because no one here shares that mentality.
Bash bands all you want, tell us we're all idiots and we're never gonna "make it," if it helps you sleep at night. Underground metal bands don't give a shit about "making it." We want to play music, and if we gain anything out of it, awesome, added bonus. Am I cool enough because I've toured the country, been offered festivals in Europe, played shows with legendary bands (and didn't have to sell one fucking ticket) and sold 3000 CDs by myself without even trying in the course of 3 years?
Bottom line is everyone who opposes what you do is not going to have some miraculous epiphany that we've been doing it wrong this whole time, and we're all going to continue to tell you to go fuck yourself. Deal with it.
Thread's too long. Will not read. I assume it goes
CSDO: Sell tickets!
RTTP: GTFO
CSDO: its called work. Your band sucks.
RTTP: No, you're old, lazy, fat and YOUR band sucks.
CSDO: I know Joey Belladonna and think the music scene hasn't changed in 20 years.
RTTP: Teh lulz
Thread's too long. Will not read. I assume it goes
CSDO: Sell tickets!
RTTP: GTFO
CSDO: its called work. Your band sucks.
RTTP: No, you're old, lazy, fat and YOUR band sucks.
CSDO: I know Joey Belladonna and think the music scene hasn't changed in 20 years.
RTTP: Teh lulz
This is exactly how this thread has gone.
A+ to this thread. made for a great read while i was sitting on the toilet taking a shit, which produced about the same amount of talent as CSDO.
Here's the point, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you like it is, what we require, and if you don't want to sell tickets, I don't care, you just won't get on any of ours shows. But remember the choice to not play on these shows is yours, so we don't want to hear your whining about not getting opportunities. There are tons of bands who will do what you won't, and they will get the shows, you won't. The best you can hope for is that maybe you can find a show someplace else you can get on, and again, I don't care. Because most of the places you will get to play, and bands you will get to play with, will be small potatoes in comparison to a lot of the shows we are now planning. If a fan of yours asks why you can't get on such shows, we will say either you don't qualify, or you won't do what is required, that we require bands who can actually bring people to shows. Then you can explain to your fans, if you truly have many, why you get to play so few shows, and hope they accept your explanation.
FYI - We now have clubs in ME, NH, MA, and RI that we are booking shows in, and bands that do more than I require of them will get to play all of them with nationals. Do me a favor, never even ask to get on any of our shows, we'll use the bands who are willing to do the work. Five bands asked to get on this Blackguard show, and were willing to sell tickets, we only had time for three locals.
Ironically the bands that actually go along with what you say are the bands that fucking suck beyond belief ... The bands that no one gives a fucking toss about.... You find high school kids that don't know their ass from their elbow and take advantage of that. "There's a sucker born every minute" - PT BARNUM
Every band that counts in New England knows you are full of shit
post by howiehowe at Mar 6,2011 3:22pm
In your midn they suck - but they ahve fans willign to pay to see them - which menas their fans liek what they do, and not what you do.
Yes there are suckers born every minute, PT was right on that, and you are one of them, proven by quoting him and not understanding his message, that it is all about who will pay to see the performance! Who you are really calling suckers are the people willing to buy tickets, that is who PT was talking about, not the performers. He told the performers what to do to be in his shows and they did it.
post by Paul CNV at Mar 6,2011 3:26pm
Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label...
Ironically the bands that actually go along with what you say are the bands that fucking suck beyond belief ... The bands that no one gives a fucking toss about.... You find high school kids that don't know their ass from their elbow and take advantage of that. "There's a sucker born every minute" - PT BARNUM
Every band that counts in New England knows you are full of shit
Thanks for the laughs - do they teach reading comprehension in your area - if so you need to enroll, just so you understand the quotes you try to use to justify your ignorance of the business.
Selling pre-sale tickets to a show is perfectly fine. I do it with my rock band sometimes for shows that require it. Holding the band accountable monetarily for tickets they cannot sell however is fucking wrong (as well as making them purchase a block of tickets in advance.) I've refused to participate in the type of business for my entire musical career and will never see a justification for it.
wheres the popcorn? this howie howe dude is awesome.
the 'suckers' paul are talking about are in fact the ones willing to cough up money to *pay to play* your shows. as much as youd like to think otherwise.
im going to keep on not playing these lame ass shows and ill keep on getting better opportunities while i'm at it.
post by Paul CNV at Mar 6,2011 3:38pm
I booked Dungeon Cult Fest back in June .... There were close to 200 people there and no one had to sell a single ticket
Here's the point, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you like it is, what we require, and if you don't want to sell tickets, I don't care, you just won't get on any of ours shows. But remember the choice to not play on these shows is yours, so we don't want to hear your whining about not getting opportunities. There are tons of bands who will do what you won't, and they will get the shows, you won't. The best you can hope for is that maybe you can find a show someplace else you can get on, and again, I don't care. Because most of the places you will get to play, and bands you will get to play with, will be small potatoes in comparison to a lot of the shows we are now planning. If a fan of yours asks why you can't get on such shows, we will say either you don't qualify, or you won't do what is required, that we require bands who can actually bring people to shows. Then you can explain to your fans, if you truly have many, why you get to play so few shows, and hope they accept your explanation.
FYI - We now have clubs in ME, NH, MA, and RI that we are booking shows in, and bands that do more than I require of them will get to play all of them with nationals. Do me a favor, never even ask to get on any of our shows, we'll use the bands who are willing to do the work. Five bands asked to get on this Blackguard show, and were willing to sell tickets, we only had time for three locals.
It makes absolutely NO SENSE for you to have to say any of that to any of us. We all know how it works, AND NO ONE IN THIS THREAD IS ASKING TO BE ON THE SHOWS. Reading comprehension, get into it. Technically you are defending it; you're defending it as much as the rest of us are defending our right to choose not to adhere to the business ethics at hand. I've never heard one band on this board ever whine about not getting on a show of this nature. I don't know what sort of bands are whining and complaining that they don't have the opportunity to sell tickets, but if they exist, they're not posting in this thread.
Also, keep in mind that as it's been stated above, most of the bands here don't give a shit how small or big the potatoes are, getting to play is enough. Big potatoes to some people may just be a favorite band from the midwest just rolling through on a DIY tour that only 15 people have ever heard of. That being said, a lot of us have also gotten the opportunity to play with huge bands without having to sell even one ticket.
The point I was making earlier is that bands on RTTP really aren't the bands for your market, aside from a select few that will do whatever it takes to get on a show. Sometimes bands don't need to get on big shows and sell tickets to become as known as they want to be. Sometimes word of mouth is all it takes to get the proper recognition. But, I'll try to remember not to come crawling on my hands and knees, crying and begging to be on a fucking Blackguard show when I'm not getting offered enough shows with bands that would up my street cred. And I'm not saying there are no bands willing to do the work you guys require, I'm saying that you won't find many here.
Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label...
No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
Of course you don't care because when all is said and done it is not about art or music to you at all... It's about being a greedy bottom feeding parasite... You represent everything that is wrong with music. DIE
Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label...
No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
post by FuckIsMySignature at Mar 6,2011 4:08pm edited Mar 6,2011 4:08pm
Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label...
No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
Here's Two:
Revocation (Relapse)
Ipsissimus (Metal Blade)
post by howiehowe at Mar 6,2011 4:13pm
In other words you can't prove me wrong, so you think a childish insult photo makes up for your lack of credibility. If you ever really come up with something real that disproves me, let Eric know. Until then, you have wasted enough of my time, and you have proven me right/you wrong so many times today, to many on here who did not even bother to post, that my job is done. They will get the shows, and you will whine like little babies playing 50-100 seat shitholes, saying the system holds you down - when actually it is the person you see in your mirror to blame.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
This is boring.
Ban Bernie from ever doing a show again, And maybe this Howie dude too.
CSDO - Please retire.
If you dont want to work with a promotion company. Book your own show. Make your own rules. Take the promoters out of the game.
ive actually only played for two legit promoters.
One in worcester and the other one in NH, No its not Bernie or anyone at NEC. The people that do most of the shows at Rockos, Only ask for 10 tickets to be sold and then they split the rest with you. One show we sold 10 tickets and kept the rest. We sold 27 tickets so we ended up walking home with 170 bucks.
This is the way it should be.
Promoters that dont split the revenue with the bands that are working hard at getting people there should be blacklisted.
lets start with bernie at NEC.
bernie and NEC will get pushed out of the scene one again like he was 4-5 years ago, time will take care of that. the only issue is that he will come back again a few years later when there are new kids around that dont know what a fucktard he and the people he deals with is. but then the cycle will repeat again.
bernie and NEC will get pushed out of the scene one again like he was 4-5 years ago, time will take care of that. the only issue is that he will come back again a few years later when there are new kids around that dont know what a fucktard he and the people he deals with is. but then the cycle will repeat again.
Take a look at the Palladium. Most bands on here will never get to play there. 'Cause, the bands don't want to do any work getting people through the door. If you get asked to open for somebody in the big room you have to sell 100 tickets (upstairs it's 50). If you want to play in Boston at the "big" places, you'll have to buy your way onto the show. Rocko's, Club Hell, the Met, the Amber Room, Club Texas and so on will also have you sell tickets... Here's a list of what has to get paid : the National bands, sound, staff, advertising... to make the show work.
Actually, my band is playing our 2nd show upstairs at the palladium soon. And it wasn't hard at all to snag the spot. And our ticket commitment is more like "sell what you can." So, in conclusion, you are very, very wrong.
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
Here's Two:
Revocation (Relapse)
Ipsissimus (Metal Blade)
two of the most over rated horrible local bands too...it is beyond me why these bands are even on those labels. they are both generic garbage
Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims.
Here's Two:
Revocation (Relapse)
Ipsissimus (Metal Blade)
two of the most over rated horrible local bands too...it is beyond me why these bands are even on those labels. they are both generic garbage
Haha thank you for your very credible opinion, Mr. Wellwell.
they have the most generic metal blade sound around . music is okay vocals suck but they are all rock star ass holes now . dont care if they read this. truth hurts .
i learned one thing from this thread. Sacreligion can still invoke shit-talking 5 years after it's death. have i achieved something? or did i have to pay for that?
they have the most generic metal blade sound around . music is okay vocals suck but they are all rock star ass holes now . dont care if they read this. truth hurts .
But they became successful without doing pay to play stuff!
they have the most generic metal blade sound around . music is okay vocals suck but they are all rock star ass holes now . dont care if they read this. truth hurts .
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 18,2011 4:50pm
Yeah this guy is a fucking joke!
post by Wally's prick at Mar 18,2011 8:21pm
Have fun playing for 30 people and handing Eric all the money!!! Don't worry though, bigger and better things are coming!!!
post by wallys at Mar 19,2011 9:43am
bump
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 19,2011 12:31pm
I HATE SUMMONING HATE THOSE FILTHY SPICBAGS AND THERE POSER METAL.
post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Mar 19,2011 9:23pm
Thank you for posting bullshit under my name yet again!! I've known Juan for a long time and wouldn't shit on him and his band...
post by howiehowe at Mar 20,2011 2:54pm
Gee, that would apply if NEC did Pay to Play, but they don't - Most likely you hate them becaue you don't have any fans that would be willing to pay to see you play!
Your fan club called off the parade - one guy had to work, and the other guy was sick!
Oh, did I mention that CSDO played for free because they support the scene - Big thanks to Excrecor for their efforts and performance yesterday at Hampton Beach, in support of Blackguard/Neuraxis/Gigan, and they will now be in the Manchester Metalfest next Saturday at Rocko's.
If you are talking Excrecor - the answer is none because they did the best job that could be expected of them in such a short time - I told you I reward those who do the job
Now if you want some lessons in reality - here are some: Sell 50 tickets for us and you get more shows, sell 100 and you get better shows and even shows at other clubs all over New England I book into, sell 200 tickets more than once you won't need to sell tickets again - You get $2 or more for every ticket sold and on top of that I allow discount coupons for walkups that will get you $1 per at the end of the night for each one used by a walkup.
i knew that for this one, and i wasnt posting that to bash you guys either. we played with you last December at Ralphs and you guys had a killer set.
just curious if you guys didnt sell any tickets for this show and they are putting you on bigger ones in the future as to what requirement they will now ask of you in written contract. it can become a serious monetary situation that you are legally binded to, so just be careful
post by howiehowe at Mar 20,2011 3:51pm
Again with the fear mongering false claims - no contracts - name one band that has ever played on an NEC show that had to sign a long term contract?
As to the Metalfest, other bands have to sell tickets and their time slot will be determined by how many they sell - Excrecor is not being required to sell tickets and we are giving them a mid slot
selling tickets is one thing, its a different story when being required to sell a specific number of tickets under written contract or you end up either
1) paying them the rest of the money in order to still play the show
or
2) deciding not to pay out of pocket to cover the rest of the tickets and have everyone that already bought them from you pay to go to a show you are no longer playing.
being that you guys are from NH, i dont expect you guys having as much of an issue, and i wish you luck if you choose to continue
i knew that for this one, and i wasnt posting that to bash you guys either. we played with you last December at Ralphs and you guys had a killer set.
just curious if you guys didnt sell any tickets for this show and they are putting you on bigger ones in the future as to what requirement they will now ask of you in written contract. it can become a serious monetary situation that you are legally binded to, so just be careful
I understand, we loved your set too at Ralph's and it was a really great night! I don't like requirements and will never pay out of pocket to play somewhere that's for sure, thats the main reason we took this one is it being in our hometown and no req to meet. We mostly got offered the one on saturday because of how yesterday went down, we ended up playing 1st when I don't think we were supposed to.
I'd like to find more shows in MA, but we don't really know many of the venues and people to contact
most definitely man, we wanted to bring you down for a show in MA ever since we played with you guys back in December, its been long overdue tho so i will be sure to keep you in mind next time we set something up in the area.
We've been looking to do the same in the NH area but it seems like there isnt much going on aside from the shows being put on by NEC. do you guys set up any local shows in the area? let us know if you guys put something together up there or need an extra slot for a band to play, would love to play with you guys again
Definitely alex! It's hard in NH because of the lack of venues and people (places like Milly's always gets 0 people), the brickhouse is probably the place we could get a show going though. The last one we did there with blood of the gods and acaro was wonderful, I know some people there and can see what it'll take.
We'd be down for playing anywhere in MA! thanks for keeping us in mind, we'll do the same for you. I tried contacting O'briens also, it's born of fire who puts on those nights correct?
Zack Wells of Born of Fire sets up bi monthly shows at O'Briens but he isnt their booking contact if you are looking to set up your own show. definitely contact Zack if you havent tho, he is a great guy to work with. However there is a main contact on OBrien's website that you can email as well if you are looking to get your own date in order to put together. we are looking to have another show set up at OBriens sometime this summer but i would suggest you send them an email as well, we would be more than happy to help you guys put it together if you want.
we should definitely trade shows tho, so lets keep in touch. let us know if you guys get anything going up in NH, and ill be sure to give you guys the word once we have something booked down in MA
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