It was a justifiable moment of fury. this type of nonsense is popping up all over.
post by Alx_Casket at Feb 10,2011 11:36am edited Feb 10,2011 11:37am
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
It's about defending something you believe in from becoming a mockery of itself due to the invasion of irony-worshiping cowards who are to afraid to actually stand by anything in a sincere, passionate way.
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
It's about defending something you believe in from becoming a mockery of itself due to the invasion of irony-worshiping cowards who are to afraid to actually stand by anything in a sincere, passionate way.
Totally with Alx on this one. If you're bashing the hipster black metal whatever bullshit, your argument is reminiscent of the hipster cliche, "I liked such and fuck before it was cool. Such and fuck used to have integrity."
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
It's about defending something you believe in from becoming a mockery of itself due to the invasion of irony-worshiping cowards who are to afraid to actually stand by anything in a sincere, passionate way.
Totally with Alx on this one. If you're bashing the hipster black metal whatever bullshit, your argument is reminiscent of the hipster cliche, "I liked such and fuck before it was cool. Such and fuck used to have integrity."
Not being into whatever before whatever date is one thing; lack of sincerity, failure to look into your history, and having no respect for your roots is another. Bad enough when some kvlt internet vinyl snob claims "not to be a metalhead", nevermind when these pie-eyed motherfuckers pull that nonsense. Shit is rampant.
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
It's about defending something you believe in from becoming a mockery of itself due to the invasion of irony-worshiping cowards who are to afraid to actually stand by anything in a sincere, passionate way.
Totally with Alx on this one. If you're bashing the hipster black metal whatever bullshit, your argument is reminiscent of the hipster cliche, "I liked such and fuck before it was cool. Such and fuck used to have integrity."
yeah, haters gonna hate and humans gonna profit. i couldn't give a fuck if someone i don't know is being ironic, and i give less fuck to try and change human nature. just support good bands.
I really don't understand the passive outlook when it comes to something you are passionate about.
In all seriousness, for me it's about having fun with it, which is different than being passive about it. Some folks (both bands and fans) get too caught up in the aesthetics. Is it still just music at that point? That's all it is for me. There is a lot of power in music, but at the end of the day someone could wear a pink tutu and play good music and I'd enjoy it just as much as when they had 5 upside down crosses around their neck and 300 spikes sticking out of their fucking earmuffs.
And maybe we're also communicating about varying measures of tolerance...
I don't understand this larger issue of getting pissed when merchandising escalates. You don't see anyone getting mad when a band starts printing shirts, who really cares? I have seen kvlt bands print their logos on leather jacket shoulder straps, is that taking it too far? Is that too "scene"?
Wearing a logo is just a conduit for making a statement, whether it be a band, a designer, or your favorite sports team. If your favorite band's merch gets sold at hot topic, who cares? Hopefully the profits are going to the right hands, and all that money won't inspire them to write a horrible follow-up album from "selling out."
It's about defending something you believe in from becoming a mockery of itself due to the invasion of irony-worshiping cowards who are to afraid to actually stand by anything in a sincere, passionate way.
Wrong wrong wrong. No such thing as Black Metal that stands for anything. If you want to be inspired by the same passions that inspired the original Black Metal pioneers, read Lord Of The Rings and play Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.
Really, the irony-worshiping ones are the jocks who overcompensate and call kids who like Harry Potter "fags".
Wrong wrong wrong. No such thing as Black Metal that stands for anything. If you want to be inspired by the same passions that inspired the original Black Metal pioneers, read Lord Of The Rings and play Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.
Really, the irony-worshiping ones are the jocks who overcompensate and call kids who like Harry Potter "fags".
Fucking hipsters.
You are trolling right? I hope. Otherwise lulz at stupid comment.
I really don't understand the passive outlook when it comes to something you are passionate about.
the conservative argument to protect an art form has merit, except it failed before it started, because the reality of the situation is what you identify with and even affirm your life with has already been defiled by girlfriends in burzum bras and "not metalheads" with their nunslaughter collections.
so do you try to bend reality and convince yourself that these people do not belong, do not deserve to pump their fists and wear your clothes, and push out people defiling your scene? how can you control what people like? why would you want to? would you let these people control what you listen to or what shows you go to? it's a slippery slope toward fascism, making your own reality and not stopping until it's realized.
if some random jackass is wearing a mayhem patch and is on his smartphone asking his dad for another loan while he sips his mocha latte, why the fuck should you care??
also it's the notion that black metal stands for anything in the first place. sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. YOU support bands that YOU like and fuck ALL the other bullshit.
Wrong wrong wrong. No such thing as Black Metal that stands for anything. If you want to be inspired by the same passions that inspired the original Black Metal pioneers, read Lord Of The Rings and play Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.
DO I REALLY need to dig up that AD&D Burzum album cover and recite the Tolkien's made-up language where he came up with the word "Burzum"?
No, the point I'm making is that I already am a super-geek with a hard-on for LOTR/JRR Tolkien and multiple AD&D/4e characters...along with many other metalheads I know. So I don't understand what you're getting at?
I don't really have much of a point. I just rarely see True Black Metal bands that actually stand for something. At least 50% of the time it's uninspired satan worship or norse mythology.
Several of the songs I've written have meaning, be it political or not. When I write them it feels awkward——like I'm writing for an thrash metal or punk band.
I just wish someone vould filter out all the pretentious bands who claim to be satanic or something they're really not.
I've already stated my stance on this 1000x before on this forum and Yeti is the only one who agrees with me. No point in rehashing oldman aril's nonsensical ramblings.
Consider real metal with values as orange juice concentrate.
Today, due to it's reemergence and hip ways, too many people are pouring too much water into the concentrate to make watered down shit metal. Need more concentrate, or a combination of concentrates with enough water to make something new and refreshing. Then again, all of my bands have kind of sucked so there's no real sense in validating my point.
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I actually really like the music Liturgy puts out. They just seem really bent on wedging this hipster quasi-sophistication element into the genre like they're doing everyone a favor. Like they're researching Abbath the Musical.
Haha haven't heard of this "burst beat." I'd say the concept has potential though.
post by goatcatalyst at Feb 10,2011 2:42pm edited Feb 10,2011 2:43pm
ITT: buttdart semantics. I got halfway through this thread and stopped. Beat the piss out of a poser and then talk to me. Personally, I think Black Metal should be like hardcore was in '96-'98...
Nah, sucka. Violent. I remember going to shows and douchebags were getting smashed with regularity. Shit was harshly policed and undesirables were run out.
Nothing wrong with disliking shallow people who are in a constant identity crisis and latch on to subcultures for acceptance. The good news is, however, it is a cycle. Let's hope the abandon black metal within the next 2 years.
Nah, sucka. Violent. I remember going to shows and douchebags were getting smashed with regularity. Shit was harshly policed and undesirables were run out.
I remember the days as well. Nobody acted like a ridiculous faggot, because the few ridiculous faggots got smashed with extreme prejudice. I think we had this discussion in the thread where the dumb kids were playing duck-duck-goose in the middle of the floor. Back in the late 80s to mid 90s, kids like that would have been stomped. Not enough fear nowadays - I blame jew lawyers.
Hahaha... I definitely remember associating lots of giant dudes spinkicking me in the face with Slapshot shows. Good times.
The moment I knew shit was getting a little silly:
cool bro story bro said
Dan Guilbert getting his eye popped out during Blood for Blood at the Rat and making it back from the hospital in time for Madball.
post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 10,2011 8:02pm
Man-on-man contact, regardless of the context, is undeniably and inextricably gay. This includes shaking hands with your boss, a pat on the back from your dad, making out with sweaty fatsos in the pit, etc.
Nothing wrong with disliking shallow people who are in a constant identity crisis and latch on to subcultures for acceptance. The good news is, however, it is a cycle. Let's hope the abandon black metal within the next 2 years.
Nah, sucka. Violent. I remember going to shows and douchebags were getting smashed with regularity. Shit was harshly policed and undesirables were run out.
I remember the days as well. Nobody acted like a ridiculous faggot, because the few ridiculous faggots got smashed with extreme prejudice. I think we had this discussion in the thread where the dumb kids were playing duck-duck-goose in the middle of the floor. Back in the late 80s to mid 90s, kids like that would have been stomped. Not enough fear nowadays - I blame jew lawyers.
wow, i can't believe i was reading all of this thread. I realized that i was wrong to try, and decided to make a statement based on what i HAVE read..
Alex is right, it's absolutely stupid to get mad because a band, or type of music you like is being marketed in new ways that you're not used to. What is REALLY going on is this:
You love to be different. You can't stand to think that you might be into something that's actually popular, because that would make you NORMAL. And seeing a band or type of music you like marketed to a demographic that you consider to be normal... hurts....
wow, i can't believe i was reading all of this thread. I realized that i was wrong to try, and decided to make a statement based on what i HAVE read..
Alex is right, it's absolutely stupid to get mad because a band, or type of music you like is being marketed in new ways that you're not used to. What is REALLY going on is this:
You love to be different. You can't stand to think that you might be into something that's actually popular, because that would make you NORMAL. And seeing a band or type of music you like marketed to a demographic that you consider to be normal... hurts....
:(
Where the hell did you pull this out of?
That line of reasoning doesnt even make sense. If I am ohsoscared of being 'normal' ('conforming') or liking something popular why would I dress like a metalhead and love Iron Maiden?
Burzum mesh shorts would be gay and I am sorry if you can't see why.
wow, i can't believe i was reading all of this thread. I realized that i was wrong to try, and decided to make a statement based on what i HAVE read..
Alex is right, it's absolutely stupid to get mad because a band, or type of music you like is being marketed in new ways that you're not used to. What is REALLY going on is this:
You love to be different. You can't stand to think that you might be into something that's actually popular, because that would make you NORMAL. And seeing a band or type of music you like marketed to a demographic that you consider to be normal... hurts....
:(
leeeet me just point out one thing
that's not RTTP or NWN forums or Lorf Cgryshtslnaahl's basement zine, that's the fucking NY Post. while not exactly a beacon of journalism, it's also the common fucking demoninator - small wonder that a group of people pretty much selected for being angry, insular and intolerant are also kind of maybe a little bit pissed, too.
WHY?
