Every place i want to rent says they don't do shows because some assholes had to ruin it for everyone

and every club does 21+ because they want liquor sales...not cover charges

therefore...kids(who everyone thinks will boost it back up) suck and ruin it...because they don't understand how to live

true, but you forgetting simply that metal is a tough "business".

that has nothing to do with what i said at all

also, the people who run these halls are morons...like the last guy i just talked to

maybe you just suck at promotion and are lazy?

yeah cuz you really have the information to make such an educated judgment such as that one

it's not like i haven't been busting my ass trying to put together as many shows as possible so more people will have places to play...dick

you couldnt even find wathmakers fucking website to contact them...LAZY.

whatever, you know whats wrong? your band huffs fucking dong.

it's funny...considering their contact info wasn't even on their website

and by the way my band's the shit...so stop lying

so find their myspace. lazy fag band guy.

who the fuck are you anyway? another anonymous douche who doesn't have anything positive to do with his life so he tries to rag on everyone else for doing something with theirs?

nah, i'm not anonymous.

please elaborate

hahahah.

far from it.
you're talking to a dude who plays and has played in some of the best metal bands around!

I understand you're frustrations man. And its true, it is sad that so many shows are 21 plus now and that some places get scared of lawsuits or damages or whatver. thats just the way it is. all that considered though I thinnk our scene is in pretty decent shape compared to some others

well that's a given...i know it's far better than any other local music scene in the world and have known that since i was 12...which is why i get real fuckin annoyed by some asshole who needs to talk shit when all i'm tryin to do is help

SacreligionNLI said:

dude, go whine somewhere else. your post reeks of crybaby shit. like i said, maybe it isn't the "scene", maybe it's the horrible music you create.

that was pretty ignorant...you still haven't told me who you are

no offense but I dnt think getting into an online pissing contest is "helping" anything

what does it matter who i am? this isn't a pissing contest. i'm just ragging on you and your gay band because i am sick of seeing stupid threads like this.

because you make bold statements about local music while you're hiding behind a screen name, yet calling me and my band gay

perhaps other people on here know who you are but i certainly don't

all i did was comment on an observation i had made after calling about 10 different places trying to book a show and getting the same bullshit from all of them

my name is michael beckwith. i'm not hiding anything. have a tissue?

Besides, I piss better than alla youse. I'm, like, world class. No contest.

ok...i was more interested what band you were in but at least you were honest

i hate to say it...but the fact that places are 21+ has very little to do with it. Sure it keeps a few kids out...but most kids aren't going to go to a show without nationals on it.

It comes down to promotion, and most of us are not as good at it as we like to think we are. Nowadays it can't be about getting a good draw at local shows anyway, but that's a lesson for later.

DestroyYouAlot said:

uhhh practice makes perfect i guess

brian_dc said:

i see what you're saying...but i was just saying that there is a lack of all ages places in general...and that it's often the crowd's own fault for getting out of hand and scaring places away from wanting to do concerts

whether it be some drunk assholes breaking shit or some stupid kids trying to drink underage inside the venue

i'd like to think each band does their own fair share of promoting, even though almost all of it is online...but that is probably the most direct way of getting it to everyone, the only other places to promote are music stores and shows

your crazy theory is really nothing new.

well that's terrible news...i felt compelled to share it anyhow

looks like you made a lot of progress with your groundbreaking theory. shithead.

you should really shut your fuckin mouth...or paralyze your hands

either way...there's no need

wow

SacreligionNLI said:

hahaha

waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nobody loves me and my silly gothenburg massachusetts band...

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

have you ever even heard or seen us before?

gothenburg massachusetts band? that's the most ludicrous thing i've ever heard

i also fail to see how sticking up for myself makes me a crybaby

yes i have heard it and you guys are just another reason why metal has gone down the toilet in the past ten years. you don't like my description? how about this?

cheese keys widdly melodic false metal?

oh no...im not going to be able to impress some pretentious douchebag

i suppose your band is some sort of real metal eh?

if you listened to metal within the past 5 years you would have heard the term gothenburg massachusettes or swedenchusettes or whatever.

how about trend metal? i think that fits you guys well.

and i suppose norwegiachusetts black metal describes all you guys

all this is going to do is go back an forth

what about "crapcore"?

ive always loved that term

you could go out on a limb and use borecore if you really wanted to

i love how anytime someone doesn't like someone's band, they're automatically an elitist. if only everyone was as passionate as mike...

SacreligionNLI said:




no, no.
i wasnt referring to ninkaszis bands. like i said, hes in some of the best around.

i was refferring to your band, but in truth I havent even heard your band and was just being a dick for no reason

i wasn't talking about his band...but be a dick all you want

and no one ever said anything about elitists...i try to stay far away from that term as possible because the thought of it is even more aggravating than this argument

hahaha. no hard feelings. i was just kidding around as usual!


aye! fuck elitists. Anyone who thinks they're too cool to mosh or even bang their head at a show is...well...of course they're welcome to come coz the more the merrier, but I jsut dont understand 'em

SacreligionNLI said:

you're aggravated. mission accomplished.

my sentiments exactly

ninkaszi said:

yaaay

im aggravated because you're an arrogant, terrible person...nice mission to accomplish

SacreligionNLI said:

your posts are annoying/dumb and your band sucks. call me arrogant, or a horrible person. it doesn't matter. if you cant take it, stop posting. while your at it, hang up your instruments.

ive been taking it the whole time, with the only side effect being some mild aggravation...and we don't plan on hanging up our instruments considering how good we are, come to the sayonara summer fest and we'll be sure to demonstrate for you

if you are implying that mutual respect; maturity; common sense; and responsibility are what stands between a healthy musical community and an diseased one...


you're right.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

well i sure wish i had thought to say it that way...but yes

i'm sure i as well as everyone else here have contributed to that at one point in time

did you find out if you guys can play that feb 15 show at umass?

oh! yes, yes we can.

sorry about that.

keep this in mind. you may not like our band, but you are insignificant. so dont listen to us. there are plenty of other people who do, you have 0 impact. i'm not going to waste my time getting aggravated, you are just another nobody in the crowd. you never did disclose your band either. you are a complete waste of time and skin. congratulations.

oh man this is entertaining.

continue...please.

KillerKadoogan said:

yeah this has been entertaining me at work all afternoon

Sac, I see your point and I agree. Not sure why ninkazi is being such a douche, but as he's not logged in there's a good chance it's not him. If it is him, I'd have to frown upon his douchbaggery, since he's usually one of the more intelligent people on the board. (Just ask a few guitar questions, he's sure to post some helpful shit.)

Everyone in this thread, douche-bags included, has made valid points about booking shows. Promotion, available all ages venues, good bands, etc... are all crucial to putting together a good show. Yes, there are less and less venues out there because a few dumb shits ruin it for everyone. This has been happening for a long time. I remember when we closed out the Memorial Hall in Plymouth 10 years ago because a few shitbags decided to tear a payphone off the wall. You'll never see shows there again. This is all too common.

The thing is, Sac, we're all pretty well aware of these problems you've claimed to discover. People are jumping down your throat, I assume, because they're equally as frustrated about the situation. I watched your antagonist Ninkasi play in front of the same crappy 20 kid audience your band and my band also played in front of at club octaine, so he's talking out his ass if he thinks your music is the reason your shows don't draw. It would have to mean our music and his music were to blame as well.

The thing is, now that you've realized a part of the truth regarding local shows, you need to keep brainstorming and think of some new approaches the rest of us haven't thought of yet. The same people who are mocking you now will be begging for a slot on your bills when you figure out how to pack 200 kids into a hall consistently.

Yeti said:

i dont listen to you, dont worry about it. i heard it and never want to hear it again.

Ninkaszi187 said:

Good for you, but why do you have to keep jumping down the kid's throat? He's trying to set up shows, and get things going for a lot of bands around here. You're just being a dick. I don't really like their music either, but I've never had a problem with the kids and I appreciate anyone that isn't Kenny Lanning who tries to book metal shows around here.

Especially if you're going to tell Sacreligion that maybe they'd draw better if their music didn't suck. As I recall, Sac, Pillory, And TYAG played a show together at octaine that drew pretty poorly. I guess that means Pillory sucks too, right? And your own band, you guys blow, right? All the while, we got to play to a few awesome kids that night, which never would have even happened if SACRELIGION hadn't brought that shitty little P.A. for us to play through. Music is taste, thus it's debateable. Good charachter is obvious, and undeniable. So far from what I've seen, they guys from Sac are a good bunch. Up til now, I've always thought the same of you.

"You're just being a dick"

you think? i am just sick of threads like this. i don't fucking care about any scene.

if you don't care about any scene, why do you care about a thread like this on what is essentially a "scene" site?

I think Saccy makes a good point but I also think the clear thing is everyone is pointing the finger at everyone else when we should plant it squarely back on ourselves. Things not going right for you? People shitting on each other? We only have ourselves to blame. I'll be the first to admit it, and I'm gonna think about my role in doing what I preach.

mmm, that's what I was saying earlier, Nick. We'd draw more if we promoted more effectively...if we knew more about how to reach people and get them interested.

let's face it, we all get lazy, and sometimes feel lost.

But Mike is trying, and I can see he's frustrated.

goddamn mike. such a trouble maker. ;)

bottom line: booking shows is a mostly thankful, shitty fucking job. I tried and stopped. The bands that are ungrateful jerkoffs tend to draw, and the genuinely good people don't draw a fucking soul. It's fucking hard to pull off and I totally adore anyone that can do it and do it well.

especially those who book my band. haha.

I believe you mean thankless, just in case anyone reads that wrong.

Ninkaszi187 said:


No one cares about a scene when there isn't one. You stick the "scene" in front of them, and they're pointing devil horns while singing along with your songs, all of a sudden they looooooove the scene.

ooooh yeah I did, thankyou. painkillers. sick. excuse for lousy typing.

SacreligionNLI said:

Mike's in the realest metal bands around.

what the fuck, anytime a good thread get's going PETAH PEACEMAKAH comes along and ruins it.

BornSoVile said:


hahahahahahaha

BornSoVile said:

Damnit Josh, you should have called Pillory a mallcore band. Then we could have watched another fun arguement.

seriously man...pillory sounds just like Devildriver (don't click on my profile, you'll see pillory twice in the picture if you look not even hard)

No way you retard, they sound like fucking Fear Factory!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

Actually, we try to sound like the deftones

i still really dont get what the point of all of this is. so ninkaszi, you have managed to prove you are a douche. you are in the EXACT same position as our band. you are no different whatsoever. but for someone who hates something so much, you seem to think about it an awful lot. so what if you dont like Sacreligion? we dont make our music to appease you. we do what we want, when we want. if people like it, great. if they dont, oh well, life will continue. we all know why this scene sucks, we all know why things are on an almost out of control downward spiral, so what are we going to do to change it? it seems mike is one of the few actually working to make a difference. his integrity as a show organizer has nothing to do with the music he writes. a lot of people like us, but a lot of people dont. is that a reason for us to quit? fuck no, when all these shitty ass people have burned all the bridges they have crossed, and are nothing someday, the perseverance of those who have tried to make a difference will pay off. are you going to help? or are you going to fade away?

Yeti said:

oh shut the fuck up. i am not in the same position as you fags. you guys can do whatever you want. whine on message boards, be lazy, and suck at music. i'm not going anywhere.

not to be a dick but is that last line from a movie?

hahah its so pointless to argue with people on this but ...but its so fun to watch

I can guarantee you that Hirudinea is not going to 'fade away' because Mike trashed you in this thread.

His band has one of the most original sounds going right now, in case you wanted your earlier question answered.

Joe/NotCommon said:

im pretty sure he meant being a dick in general will do that

as i said earlier...this is just going to go back and forth forever...so why continnue?

i say we discuss better ways to work together

that last one was me

I personally don't want to work together with anyone

so don't

Don't worry about it, I won't

We should incorporate a "time out" corner for those unruly hooligans that ruin it for the good guys and gals. Also I was thinking that from now on at shows before we start we should all hold hands and sing koombaya. Maybe say a little prayer. Y'know...for all the children and stuff.

Christraper said:

that's a bit of a gross exaggeration

i dont know i can play a mean koombya on the guitar

peace

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I got an idea too.The majority of the local bands suck therefore they dont draw alot of people

This thread is dumb. If metal shows were doing so bad then how come clubs continue to let them happen? The answer: they are doing good.

Yeti said:

What in the fuck are you talking about?

meh. i'll continue on my previous course of apathy. that seems to work better

the problem with most local shows is the fact that clubs let unqualified people handle their booking who know nothing about music and put the wrong bands together on shows. the only people who book shows on a regular basis that i trust to actually book something good that makes sense are joe notcommon and a couple others. sometimes people in bands get the chance to book good shows, but those opportunities are usually rare. chances are, if joe or a couple other people aren't booking it, and it's not one of those rare occasions that somebody in a local band actually gets booking power, it will probably be a shitty show with no promotion and a bad turnout.

i'll clarify a bit on the last part. promotion shouldn't only be up to clubs/bookers. the bands are ultimately responsible for bringing fans in.

HEY YOUR BAND SUCKS!!!

YOUR VENUE SUCKS!!!!

RABBLE!....


....RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE....


...everyone starts making out...



wow, that was weird. Case in point shows suck because no one cares because we're not anyone famous. Okay!? There I said it. Then you get a few shows where your friends show up and it's like 50 people there and everyone cheers for you and makes you feel good. Those are the good shows. then you do enough shitty shows, get your demo out there enough, someone important hears it and decides to exploit you. You make a lot of money but start putting out sub-par music because people who don't know good from bad want somethign catchy. You do that and make a boatload of money, but lose your original core fanbase thus earning the name sell outs.

So uhhh...shut up. I love you

DestroyYouAlot said:

Not me. I've been urinating for at least six years now.

hey that was quite a rant there

Good shows = free food/booze/getting gas money/people laughing at how stupid your band is.

Bad shows = no pay/no food/no booze/no one gets you

Good shows = topless women

Bad shows = scene dudes making out with eachother

Good shows = showing the 1992 Royal Rumble on a whole bunch of huge screens

Bad shows = in someone's basement with a bunch of high school kids getting drunk and flipping their shit because there is a breakdown

Good shows = shows that draw a crowd

Bad shows = everytime I've played at Jarrod's

SacreligionNLI said:

Kessaris said:

i happen to love playing basement shows and why would even bother playing jarrods place

we play jarrod's place so our keyboardist's friends in attleboro have an easy way of seeing us

I would mind playing a basement if it was actually worth it. I don't like Jarrod's 'cause it's lame. I play anywhere we can though.

this thread is a riot!!!!!