post by arilliusbm at Dec 26,2012 11:50am edited Dec 26,2012 11:54am
This is not an official list from some idiot's blog or some noob kid who started gaming 10 years ago. It's just like an opinion, man... I know a lot of you will disagree, but that's the point of a discussion forum, right? This list is short and incomplete, but they were a few ones that came into mind.
10.) Dead Space series. OH MY, LET ME STARE AT THIS GUYS BACK WHILE HE RUNS THROUGH A SPACESHIP AND ENCOUNTERS ENEMIES THAT SURPRISE YOU!! The series had horrible horror and suspense elements, and the story was sub par. If anything at all, Doom III had better horror.
9.) Every Zelda game that is after Link's Awakening and A Link to the Past. Do they seriously need to keep milking this shitty ass children's story? Zelda was at it's best when it was a gritty dungeon crawler game, not a flowery modern Nintendo happy game.
8.) Assassin's Creed serires. So fucking boring and uninspired. The highlight being the historical aspects, but the lowlight being the repetativeness of the game, and lackluster development. Overrated/overhyped.
7.) Final Fantasy - post FF9. I should say post FF3(6), but FF7 was awesome - BUT, the beginning of the end. All the modern Final Fantasy characters are digusting to look at. The boys look like women and the women look all dumb. Same thing with Zelda.. Why dumb down and lighten up a once glorious franchise?
6.) Fable. They just need to stop.
5.) Mass Effect - The story is boring and rips off everything before it, and the RPG elements are lackluster. I gave both I and II a shot and left shaking my head. So much potential, washed down the drain. They need to modernize a game like Albion, though I don't think Blue Byte Software exists anymore.
4.) Borderlands. Who cares if there's numerous weapons? The game was as arrid as the fucking desert it mostly takes place in. The story was awful, and the action was stale. Games were overhyped garbage.
3.) Grand Theft Auto . Same shit different day. Better graphics, different day. Why people still crave the open world of stealing cars and committing crimes is beyond me. Shit gets old, fast. Real fast. Only the first three were real.
2.) Left 4 Dead. More like Left 4 Sleep. Shooting zombies over and over has been beaten to death, and this series is only fun playing with other people... For about 5 minutes.
1.) Call of Duty series. This series represents everything that is wrong with modern console gaming. The releases are all very similar, yet slightly different at the same time. It offers nothing new to the table, yet still they produce a new one every year and people flock to buy them. Counterstrike 1.6 will always rape this series to shreds.
Thanks, back to work. Good day and happy new year fuckheads.
This post would have more credibility if I actually believed you played all these games enough to really have an opinion. I do agree with about half the list though.
Yea I mean, to each his own, I'm just saying. The way you wrote these 'reviews' sounds more like you're just trying to be a hater for the sake of being a hater than actually review the games. Jus sayin
For instance, this "Do they seriously need to keep milking this shitty ass children's story? Zelda was at it's best when it was a gritty dungeon crawler game, not a flowery modern Nintendo happy game" is not a review. It doesn't show in any way that you actually played through any of the games and saw what they had to offer, all it shows is that you wrote them off based on the graphics and the modern look. That's fine, but we all know you can't always judge a book by its cover.
Wait, when did I say I was going to review the games? I made a list a had brief comments on it. THERES ONLY SO MUCH ONE CAN DO WHILE SHITTING.
and regards to Zelda? Ive got a DS and thought those were junk, and jusy about every 3d Zelda on 64, Gamecube or Wii did not tickle my fancy at all. Although I must say, Skyward Sword looked fun, but to me, THAT SHIT AINT ZELDA BRO.
But all joking aside, Zelda was never...gritty. Ultima or OG Bard's Tale were gritty, Zelda was a cute kid's dungeon crawl game where you threw a boomerang at bouncing monsters.
For the record though, I actually BEAT Fable, and I can honestly say it is WAYYYYY overrated, and the COD games aren't BAD, they're just kind of meh to me.
I though Left 4 Dead was fun as hell, but just as a kind of arcade game, not a huge amount of depth or anything.
Not familiar with the FF games.
Never played Mass Effect, probably never will.
There are many many good Zelda games after A Link to the Past, but none AS good.
Ass Creem, I liked part 2, but the first was boring and the one after 2 was just a downgraded version of 2.
and Borderlands looks kind of boring so I avoided it.
But all joking aside, Zelda was never...gritty. Ultima or OG Bard's Tale were gritty, Zelda was a cute kid's dungeon crawl game where you threw a boomerang at bouncing monsters.
Heh, you're right. Gritty was the wrong word. I think, overtime, Nintendo "Nintendo'd" the Zelda series and changed the tone. The original NES version and Link's Awakening for Gameboy are my fav for the old style.
Exactly. it was always gay fairies and shit, I don't understand why all of a sudden everything thinks it's too cartoony or whatever. I'm not saying they're the BEST games ever, but most of the Zelda games I've played are pretty solid adventure games with good storytelling. My only complaint is that they usually lack challenge.
For the record, I do respect your opinion on this shit to some degree, I just think your bias against the 'nowadays' and console gaming in general is keeping you from playing some pretty fun games, and to me that's what gaming is really about... FUN.
I dunno, if you compare the original Zelda to how it eventually evolved, I think there's a huge difference. I guess it's all how you interpret the original few games. I know my Zelda opinion is not that popular, I was just hoping Nintendo made the series darker with each game. Didn't happen. Oh well
Those games always baffled me, they felt so incredibly pre-scripted. Like you weren't even "playing" them, you were just going through the motions of re-enacting someone else's game. I did try to play FF7 for some reason, but just gave up. Rather just watch anime.
Yeah, I guess it felt like they went above and beyond what seemed "linear" to me at the time. This was pre-"sandbox games" and shit, the only open-ended game I remember playing was maybe ELITE. So it's not like I was expecting Eve Online or something!
Maybe they need to invent a more brutal synonym for "linear" to do JRPGs justice.
GTA will never get old. IV had it's moments, however San Andreas is impossible to top. i just deleted my file and restarted the campaign.
i only play CoD4 and World at War, and those campaigns are stellar. i don't have much desire for any others though. even the online play gets stale fast.
GTA will never get old. IV had it's moments, however San Andreas is impossible to top. i just deleted my file and restarted the campaign.
This is the only new console game in the last several years I've gotten to try and I agree with the recommend - at one point, I managed to kill myself with a gas station explosion that shot me like a cannon a few hundred yards smacking into the side of a bridge, slowly sliding down while being shot full of holes by police helicopters before falling into the water. How all that happened before it faded out I don't understand considering the initial explosion killed me, and I never managed it again - but Best Death Ever.
Agree with everything but Zelda, and even that I semi-agree with. Doesn't keep MM and everything before it from being awesome.
Only thing I would've added, Resident Evil once it got lame as balls. (I.E., Resident Evil 4 and onwards. RE 0-3 and Code Named Veronica are still awesome as fuck)
9.) Every Zelda game that is after Link's Awakening and A Link to the Past. Do they seriously need to keep milking this shitty ass children's story? Zelda was at it's best when it was a gritty dungeon crawler game, not a flowery modern Nintendo happy game.
Anyone who discounts Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask from being quality Zelda titles never enjoyed using an N64. FUCK YOU
I love both those games enough to not need to bother arguing about whether they're good or not. I understand your complaints, but still think very highly of both, particularly Ocarina.
Those two games didn't begin the demise. If ANYTHING, those two games were the perfect bridge into 3D.
If they kept up with those games in terms of difficulty and fun after MM, then this would still be one of the greatest game franchises ever. It's not OoT and MM's fault that they later dropped the ball.
Ive been dealing with this shit since these damn 3D Zelda games came out. There is no sense is discussing it further and I understand why everyone likes them. To me, Zelda has always been a 2d game. I've always felt that way and I don't think it will ever change.
Ironically, I also thought Mario64 was amazing when it came out, but something didn't sit right with me either. now, I couldn't care less about replaying it. The highlight for 64 will always be Goldeneye.
While i would never argue that any 3D zelda games are better than the originals, I think it was one of THE BEST 3D recreations of the Zelda franchise. I've played a few on the Wii and they were close but no cigar (using a Wiimote for Zelda SUCKS)
Ive been dealing with this shit since these damn 3D Zelda games came out. There is no sense is discussing it further and I understand why everyone likes them. To me, Zelda has always been a 2d game. I've always felt that way and I don't think it will ever change.
agreed. I disagree but don't really care either, because noone is going to change my mind. DISCUSSION OVER
I have the DS titles and they're okaaay at best. I bought the Oracle of Ages and Seasons for my gameboy color the day they came out and thought the dungeons were awesome, but stories SUCKED.
To the OP: Give Mass Effect 2 another try, and play on "insanity". Playing at that level makes you really have to make maximum use of your powers, and squad tactics and stuff, rather than just crushing through your enemies mindlessly. If you like games like Albion, you may be able to appreciate that.
The highlight for 64 will always be Perfect Dark, a much superior game to Goldeneye.
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Also, i've always enjoyed Banjo Kazooie(not any of the god awful sequels or spin offs though, those all suck dick) way more than I enjoyed Mario 64. I also enjoyed Rayman 2: The Great Escape a lot, despite the hate it gets. Both were my definition of a perfect fun platformer on the N64.
I recently replayed OoT from start to finish. Now that i'm older, the thing that really bothers me, is I REALLY only find doing the dungeons to be fun. Side missions, hunting special boos, the horse race with the douche, finding special items, hunting gold tokens, etc. just REALLY is not fun now that i'm not 10. hahaha
And it's quite jarring how useless money truly is in the game, considering a lot of the hidden treasures of the land and rewards for sidequests are money related.
Then again, who plays any Zelda games for any reason other than the dungeons? Hahaha
I have the DS titles and they're okaaay at best. I bought the Oracle of Ages and Seasons for my gameboy color the day they came out and thought the dungeons were awesome, but stories SUCKED.
I had Seasons, remember being good but not as good as Links Awakening. Game was ILL SON
I would add to OP that something I've noticed a lot of in nowadays gaming is when they put some sort of inventory management and a basic system of experience that does something like convert kills into points that you can spend on minor new abilities, and then calling it an 'RPG.' RPG DOES NOT STAND FOR 'SLIGHTLY LESS LINEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE A FIREBALL INSTEAD OF A FREEZE RAY FOR YOUR CHARACTER'
I would add to OP that something I've noticed a lot of in nowadays gaming is when they put some sort of inventory management and a basic system of experience that does something like convert kills into points that you can spend on minor new abilities, and then calling it an 'RPG.' RPG DOES NOT STAND FOR 'SLIGHTLY LESS LINEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE A FIREBALL INSTEAD OF A FREEZE RAY FOR YOUR CHARACTER'
I would add to OP that something I've noticed a lot of in nowadays gaming is when they put some sort of inventory management and a basic system of experience that does something like convert kills into points that you can spend on minor new abilities, and then calling it an 'RPG.' RPG DOES NOT STAND FOR 'SLIGHTLY LESS LINEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE A FIREBALL INSTEAD OF A FREEZE RAY FOR YOUR CHARACTER'
N64 Gold = Perfect Dark > Golden Eye > Ocarina of Time > Majora's Mask.
Having gone back after many many years to play Golden Eye, it ruined my memories of an awesome game after playing years of FPS on PC and modern consoles which made strafing much easier than using those fucking little yellow buttons.
post by givemeedtilimdead at Dec 26,2012 4:30pm
Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have an excellent combat system. Too bad the rest of the game is not so good.
10.) Dead Space series. Game sucked, combat was clunky and pretty much if you fucked up one or two shots the attacker would fuck you up depending on the difficulty. Shit was not fun, slow to progress, and was only a good game if you are afraid of pixelated monsters while sitting in your room at night with all the lights off. PUSSIES
9.) Every Zelda game that is after N64 was lame. Example: Gamecube straight up sucked and no one cared about cell shaded link. Also, Wiimotes fucking suck in general and the Zelda releases can be summed up as "Oh cool now i can make it harder to walk around, look, and navigate in my new Zelda game!" said no one ever...
8.) Assassin's Creed serires. Otherwise known as "Asscum's Bleed," if you played the first five minutes of the first game you've played every single one minus some additional gear and weapons. I played the first and second all the way through, story got progressively worse. Attempted to play the release after #2 (whats that, "brotherhood" or something?) and it took me about 5 minutes to realize it was EXACTLY like the one before it and i stopped playing immediately.
7.) Final Fantasy - actually never played any of these so NO CARE.
6.) Fable. Who doesnt want to marry some random bitch then kill her? I didnt play anything after the first one which was on original xbox, but nothing wow'd me about this game having played Star Wars: KOTOR and already knew what it was like to play a game that modeled you after your good or evil in-game decisions. NOTHING NEW HERE.
5.) Mass Effect - The story is boring and rips off everything before it, and the RPG elements are lackluster. I gave both I and II a shot and left shaking my head. So much potential, washed down the drain. They need to modernize a game like Albion, though I don't think Blue Byte Software exists anymore.
4.) Borderlands. 99% OF THE GUNS IN THIS GAME WERE TRASH FODDER. I DONT GET WHY THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. You get a gun, use if FOREVER because every gun after it was nowhere near an upgrade, then you get another gun like 20 gameplay hours later after either trashing or selling every other gun you ever picked up in the game ever.
3.) Grand Theft Auto. Shit is awesome and always will be. who didnt shit a brick when they first laid eyes on GTA3 in its 3D glory? I grew up on the original 2D birds eye view format, but anyone who refuses to acknowledge the vast improvements brought on by the 3D interface simply isnt willing to admit that sometimes NEW FEATURES = AWESOME.
2.) Left 4 Dead. Shit was boring and always will be, unless you play with friends especially those you know in real life. Pretty much would only play this game when i had buddies online who were also playing. Bought L4D2 and never even bothered finishing all of the campaigns since no one bought it. Very very repetitive gameplay, shooting endless waves of zombies, mixed up with a few timed sequences while waiting for something to explode or someone to come rescue you while you fight 3 tanks at a time and yell at your entire team to come revive you...
1.) Call of Duty series. The original versions of this on PC changed a lot of ways people make shooters today. Can't really say much more than the fact that its a cash cow for console and gaming companies so of course they are going to pump out a new one each year. Shit gets more dull with time since i think the lack of actual new gameplay changing features are few and far between. Shit relies heavily on Multiplayer as they campaigns are about half as short as they used to be. Call of Duty 2 was one of the best single player shooter campaigns i've ever played on Xbox.
FUCK YOU FOR SPELLING ERRORS AND GRAMMAR IM AT WORK AND I DONT CARE
FF7 was the beginning of the end for Final Fantasy. Some may argue that it's the greatest game of all time, yet I believe most of those peoples' first FF game was FF7.
I have the DS titles and they're okaaay at best. I bought the Oracle of Ages and Seasons for my gameboy color the day they came out and thought the dungeons were awesome, but stories SUCKED.
I would add to OP that something I've noticed a lot of in nowadays gaming is when they put some sort of inventory management and a basic system of experience that does something like convert kills into points that you can spend on minor new abilities, and then calling it an 'RPG.' RPG DOES NOT STAND FOR 'SLIGHTLY LESS LINEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE A FIREBALL INSTEAD OF A FREEZE RAY FOR YOUR CHARACTER'
THANK YOU
A thousand times this. I had the biggest online Chinatown with some kid who went to my school; he was insisting up and down that LoZ was an RPG because it had items and hearts and a sword.
Hold on though, I DO remember playing Hillsfar, also a D & D game by SSI. Dont remember being super into it though, and I was only 7 or 8.
Haha, nice. Hillsfar was kinda weird - it was like this sort-of-rpg-ish minigame collection. The real cool thing was that, on PC, you could take your Pool of Radiance PCs through Hillsfar to beef them up before tackling Secret of the Silver Blades. Kinda pointless on NES, though.
Never played a tourist in Nethack and stunned a floating eye with your expensive camera = NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINION, THE LITTLE DOG BITES, THE LITTLE DOG BITES, THE LITTLE DOG EATS THE LIZARD CORPSE
Yea I played Hillsfar on NES and remember not thinking too much of it. There were parts of it that were first person dungeon crawler that were cool but really simple. Do you remember Phantasie series? Top down turn-based games, I only played the first one al the way through though. The viallains' name was Nicodemus which I always thought was funny because I just imagined the rat Nicodemus from Secret of Nimh.
Hold on though, I DO remember playing Hillsfar, also a D & D game by SSI. Dont remember being super into it though, and I was only 7 or 8.
Haha, nice. Hillsfar was kinda weird - it was like this sort-of-rpg-ish minigame collection. The real cool thing was that, on PC, you could take your Pool of Radiance PCs through Hillsfar to beef them up before tackling Secret of the Silver Blades. Kinda pointless on NES, though.
Never played a tourist in Nethack and stunned a floating eye with your expensive camera = NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINION, THE LITTLE DOG BITES, THE LITTLE DOG BITES, THE LITTLE DOG EATS THE LIZARD CORPSE
Anyone remember that butt ugly girl in the original Ultima for Nintendo who said "Think me pretty?" and you couldn't get further in the game unless you told her Yes. Ultima: preparing men for the bar scene at an early age.
Aril, you are spot on with your list. Couldn't agree more. Even though FFX and FF12 were good but not nearly as good as some of the prior ones, those annoying elements you mentioned definitely ticked me off when I was playing them.
It's like why couldn't they just not do that? 7 had a relatively dark atmosphere for a lot of it and I was definitely more attracted to that than the fucking gay ass haircuts and voices they have in the newest ones WHICH ARE INTOLERABLE AT THIS POINT.
post by Boozegood at Dec 28,2012 9:11am edited Dec 28,2012 9:16am
Please explain what CS 1.6 has to do with CoD besides the fact they are both FPSers with modern weapons?
"Release the same game with slightly different elements, etc. etc." completely disregards the fact that they release an entire new single player campaign with each release.
I'm no CoD fan-boy by a long-shot, by any means; it just sounds like you are hating to hate.
You are probably the type that would hate SF3FS or SF4 because 'NOTHING IS BETTER THEN SF2!' or something.
It's simple, CS 1.6 set the standard for team-based FPS wargaming. It also was (and still is) one of the more fun online games to play whereas CoD is mediocre, yet rehashed with every release. I enjoyed playing CoD online, but it's not memorable and lasting. The one thing CoD has is its realism and single player campaign missions. But really, why emulate reality? Video games are supposed to be games, and I think companies these days try too hard to emulate reality, mostly in the FPS genre, as it is first-person perspective.
post by Boozegood at Dec 28,2012 9:23am edited Dec 28,2012 9:24am
It's simple, CS 1.6 set the standard for team-based FPS wargaming. It also was (and still is) one of the more fun online games to play whereas CoD is mediocre, yet rehashed with every release. I enjoyed playing CoD online, but it's not memorable and lasting. The one thing CoD has is its realism and single player campaign missions. But really, why emulate reality? Video games are supposed to be games, and I think companies these days try too hard to emulate reality, mostly in the FPS genre, as it is first-person perspective.
I understand that about 1.6, but it's still very, very different almost to the point of being a bad comparison to CoD in my opinion. 1.6 is an all time classic as well; so of course it's 'better' then CoD.
Also CoD is very, very (very...very, very) far away from reality, haha.
Also CoD has released some of the ultimate mega-best FPSes of all-time, such as CoD2.
Well shit, your one sentence grew into multiple sentences withib my timeframe of typing a response.
And yes, I believe a lot of follow up games aren't as good as the original. It's not in every case, but just because a game is newer with better graphics doesn't mean it's better. It's like comparing a 1940s movie to something today. Sure, the technique and technology has improved, but that doesn't mean the movie is better.
They still have a long way to go, but don't you see how they try to make it realistic wuth each release? All the new FPS game engines model themselves after reality. I'd say in 10 years, we may not even be able to tell the difference.
They still have a long way to go, but don't you see how they try to make it realistic wuth each release? All the new FPS game engines model themselves after reality. I'd say in 10 years, we may not even be able to tell the difference.
Yes they may be close to reality if they ever release this one:
Listen, I'm not saying CoD is a horrible franchise, I just think it's overrated and they milk it for money. They have an unlimited budget and keep creating the same kind of game over and over and over.
I don't really make much sense though considering all I play is TFC.
a star wars game done Bethesda / Skyrim style (ie dark and not cartoony/kiddy) in a completely OPEN world where you can travel between planets and each planet is a new huge map to explore etc would be so fucking epic.
Ross and I have wet dreamed over this idea many a time.
a star wars game done Bethesda / Skyrim style (ie dark and not cartoony/kiddy) in a completely OPEN world where you can travel between planets and each planet is a new huge map to explore etc would be so fucking epic.
Ross and I have wet dreamed over this idea many a time.
Just sayin'. Kind of similar to the way you described it. It was fun, but I hate MMORPGs. I ended up getting banned from a server for disrupting a "wedding."shit was whack.
True, but I believe they should make a new game along the lines of TIE FIGHTER, that is purely space combat. Perhaps there is just not enough interest in that sort of game anymore, or they probably would have already made it.
a star wars game done Bethesda / Skyrim style (ie dark and not cartoony/kiddy) in a completely OPEN world where you can travel between planets and each planet is a new huge map to explore etc would be so fucking epic.
Ross and I have wet dreamed over this idea many a time.
DRAGON WARRIOR! I loved that game growing up. You could go be the King for a while. Then you realize five seconds later you can't do shit as King, and no one lets you leave the castle. So you have to tuck your tail between your legs and ask the King to be the King again, and you can almost hear him saying, stupid khed, why do you think I gave it up so easily, SHIT'S BORING.
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