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New site? Maybe some day.
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But but but... I thought they were for painting. =( |
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Holy bad science, batman!
I love how the correct answer is thrown in as the last sentence, attributed to "another scientist".
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Again, it's bad science. As pointed out in the first article, I doubt that's the reason for the shape of our hand, rather the shape of our hand is the reason we fight with our fists. |
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Again, it's bad science. As pointed out in the first article, I doubt that's the reason for the shape of our hand, rather the shape of our hand is the reason we fight with our fists. |
Well then right a counter-article, submit it to a scientific journal, let a panel of your peers review it, get it published, and show him wrong.
I guess I don't see why it is such a horrible hypothesis. I'm not saying it's 100% true, but I don't think your explanation counters it very well. |
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Any is it me, or are they implying one should punch using the face of your fingers? Way to enforce the "science geeks can't fight" stereotype.
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Any is it me, or are they implying one should punch using the face of your fingers? Way to enforce the "science geeks can't fight" stereotype.
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I didn't get that, I think they were implying that the thumb reenforces the fist at it's weakest point aka: where it 'connects' with the palm allowing pressure exerted on the front of the knuckles to be evenly dispersed without compromising the structural integrity of the first.
This coupled with the 'curling under' effect of the fingers allows for a much stronger punch. If you were to make a 'fist' like that of other primates right now, ie. thumb along the side, fingers flat to the palm of the hand and punch something (or even just put pressure on the punching-area of your knuckles) it's a huge difference. It's the same hand position used when cracking your knuckles. |
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I'm not saying it's 100% true, but I don't think your explanation counters it very well. |
I'm not countering it. I'm pointing out the giant gaping hole in their science, as well as their incorrect analysis on how a fist works. Even if their test proved the fist was more efficient than the girl slap (read their experiment), how does that prove anything about evolution? We also use our knees, heads, elbows, and feet as weapons. Were those also primarily shaped by these uses?
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This coupled with the 'curling under' effect of the fingers allows for a much stronger punch. |
I'd disagree. Many martial arts, for example, use an open handed "punch" where the fingers don't curl into your hand. It shouldn't matter, either way, since most of the impact SHOULD be your knuckles, and landing a punch on your fingers will often result in a broken finger or two.
I'm also noticing that the experiment was based on striking a regular/flat surface, and not a landscape of angles and protuberances like most human heads and bodies are. Otherwise they'd have noted said broken fingers a lot quicker.
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We also use our knees, heads, elbows, and feet as weapons. Were those also primarily shaped by these uses? |
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It's not entirely unlikely that that could have been an influence. When taking a Muay-Thai knee for example; a slight turn of your hip-joint turns your knee from a relatively soft bludgeoning device into a very effect 'spear'-like weapon. A similar turn of your leg turns the soft front part of your shin into a re-enforced shield for defense, etc.
I'm not saying that per-historic humans had this sort of concept of fighting style; but I am saying that our biology could have have developed favoring effective combat uses on it's evolutionary path; as with any other animal evolution. I don't see why we would be uniquely exempt. |
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but I am saying that our biology could have have developed favoring effective combat uses on it's evolutionary path; as with any other animal evolution, primarily predators. |
Again, body comes first. Then we adapted our fighting style to that body.
Most compelling argument against these scientists? The primary reason our hands DO exist, coupled with our primary choice in weapons - go pick up a sword, stick, bat, etc... - our hands were built to grip, not fight. If evolution was effected this heavily by fighting, then we wouldn't be getting smaller over history. Especially compared to our nearest genetic relatives who are far, far, far faster, stronger, and better at fighting than we are.
The problem with this entire theory these guys came up with is you'd need to find some compelling evidence of actual change in the development of the human hand over time. Instead, it's been pretty consistent throughout our history. Meanwhile the way we fight has changed a zillion times in that same history.
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PS - I'm not anti-punching
I'm anti- shitty science |
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Clearly the "findings" are sketchy at best, but the point of my posting it was more to be mean to those who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. |
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^^ This can't be stressed enough. |
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Arrowhead's point is what I would say. And I might not be able to fight my way out of a wet paper bag, but I could gather the fuck out of anyone. |
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ITT: humans evolved hands to break Aaron's camera |
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also for playing guitar IN SPACE |
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If hands evolved for fighting, why haven't scrotes evolved into something a bit more hardy? |
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Clearly the "findings" are sketchy at best, but the point of my posting it was more to be mean to those who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. |
According to the article, if your ring finger isn't longer than your index finger you're a giant vagina.
I pass the test. How's everyone else looking? |
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This is exactly why I evolved arc emmiting arm spikes, science! |
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Clearly the "findings" are sketchy at best, but the point of my posting it was more to be mean to those who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. |
According to the article, if your ring finger isn't longer than your index finger you're a giant vagina.
I pass the test. How's everyone else looking? |
A-ok here. Got a strong 3/8" or possibly a 1/2" difference. I thought everyone's ring finger was longer than their index? |
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Ring finger is longer here. All of my toes (sans pinky) are the same length. WTF does that mean? |
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HOBBIT |
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Ring finger is longer here. All of my toes (sans pinky) are the same length. WTF does that mean? |
You should see a doctor. |
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Nah, it's been like that my whole life. People have just said it's troll feet but thats racist. |
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Nah, it's been like that my whole life. People have just said it's hobbit feet but thats racist. |
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ITT: hobbit hands evolved for stealing |
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Hobbit? I dont know such creature. never heard. Are those the things that made me want to commit suicide in a movie theater last week? THATLL DO IT. |
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Fists are for pussies. Our webbed feet are much more effective at slappin a bitch when she bills off. |
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ITT: duck penises are actually highly evolved... for rape. |
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Arrowhead's point is what I would say. And I might not be able to fight my way out of a wet paper bag, but I could gather the fuck out of anyone. |
Hey, don't sell yourself short. I bet you open a can of whoop-ass on a wet paper bag. Unless it was one of those cold-pack bags for ice cream, those are pretty tough. |
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ITT: duck penises are actually highly evolved... for rape. |
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Our hands are highly evolved for jacking it. All things are invented to be sex objects. |
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Ban hands, they've ended countless lives. |
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