I'm listening for the very first time.

replace "Liturgy" with "Deafheaven" in this video

bennyhillifier

bm dudes don't make out. I've never heard Liturgy til just now and I like Deafheaven better. AM I WRONG?

Cool but not "black metal" in any traditional sense. Inspired, sure...

The tags on last.fm have lied to me. I dig it.

echo/reverb post rock guitar line + garbage blasts + dissonant black metal chords + hipster douches = Deafheaven

Their singer needs to sing into the mic more during their show. Decent stuff otherwise.

You forgot $400 Bloomingdales gift card

makes me want to drink some masala chai with milk and honey

what spaldino said. I can't reall get into this shit.
Only Cold Body Radiation is real.

surprise! i love deafheaven, really nice dudes and have shown a ton of support for Vattnet(also surprise to you guys im sure)..also...they dont claim to be black metal at all and never have, so they're not stepping on your elite turf.

Great band.

My friend's grind band played with them in New Haven. All the hipsters hated the fuck out of them, pretty much.

I've never listened to Deafheaven and probably won't bother ever.

I listen to them. Therefore they are not cool.

If I wanted to listen to black metal on a hardcore label I'll stick with Youth Attack.

I know you like the faggy pop-punk.

Deafheaven is corny cookie cutter shit for people who think Doom Riders is stoner rock to listen to and think Deafheaven is atmospheric black metal.

It's a nice transition from thinking Bury Your Dead was hardcore.

BOUNCE

RTTP needs a like button that you can hit an infinite number of times.

Only black metal brought to you by Scion is real.

I'm just assuming they're on one of those retarded Scion fests or have some sort of relationship with the car company. I don't give a shit if they're nice guys or friends of someone, any band claiming black metal or using black metal influences is a piece of shit for getting involved with Scion et al.

I'm confused as to how you connected Deafheaven to Scion. Please elaborate.

Because really, how authentic is it to write music reacting negatively to modernity/commodification/western excesses and glomming onto Scion? Self-defeating bullshit, your music is meaningless.

It's also foolish that the first place people go to in defending bands like this is the ultimately empty statement "lol they're not trying to be kvlt" see that shit everywhere and it's tiresome. I joke about bands like this too but really the issue isn't their fashion, it's that their music just isn't good or original.

So to recap, trend jumping, unoriginal, bland and devoid of meaning. Copy and repost as necessary in deafheven, krallice, liturgy and Wittr threads.

US"BM" RIP

Okay, half of your posts are Greek to me because I don't know what this business about Scion is. They sponsor metal shows, I suppose? I know next to nothing about black metal, but came across a post on the innerwebs about this band, listened, and was intrigued. I dig the public discourse though.

Scion sponsored liturgy shows, these dudes tie liturgy to deafheaven because they're not cvlt, therefore deafheaven is sponsored by scion. Make sense?

Only being sponsored by Volvo is real.

My take on the whole Scion thing, it's not like Scion is saying "change your sound or you don't get any of our money." Also, it's not like anybody who is in a band wouldn't take money from a company when they're not trying to control your style/image, so I guess I don't understand why Scion and bands that get sponsored by them get vilified for it.

I can't speak on Deafheaven specifically because I have yet to hear them, but it seems foolish to me that bands like Magrudergrind catch shit for linking up with Scion.

Ahhhhh now I am enlightened. Thing is I gave Liturgy a critical listen...and all I could think about was the South Park episode where Stan gets old and everything sounds like...shit. That was pure awful. Still I liked Deafheaven, and Krallice was eeeeeright. Not earth shattering. Moving on to Wittr now.

Promoting Scion with your anticapitalist grindcore band is the 2010's version of Rage Against the Machine being on Sony. Undercutting the message is real.

That's just taking advantage of the system. If a company is willing to toss you some cash, why not use it to perpetuate your message? What's wrong with that?

This is what was running through my head when researching the Scion thing. You can't blame a band for wanting to get paid (unless, of course, they have strong anticapitalist sentiments or whatever, then its hypocritical). BUT. I have yet to find any evidence of Deafheaven being linked to Scion, and a read-through of their lyrics didn't turn up anything that would put them at odds with receiving money from a corporation that offered it (if that would come to pass). Deathwish seems like a decent label, as labels go. For a band that only claims to be influenced by bm as opposed to having a frontman who wrote a faggy thesis about redefining/improving the genre entirely, I don't see the justification for lumping them in with Liturgy. But then again, I am new to this shit.

I'd suggest starting with Bathory and working your way up to the early 90s and 2nd wave black metal. Dont start off by jumping into the cesspool.

What qualifies this as the cesspool? Lack of musical skill? Plagiarized sound? Image?

Everything. If you're looking for "BLACK METAL" then you're reading the wrong book, watching the wrong channel, listening to the wrong bands.
Discover the roots of the sound, then follow the roots to today.

If you're looking for that modernized hybrid atmospheric post rock with black metal influence then keep listening to these bands. I know nothing of you, what bands you enjoy, or if you are a ploy to psychologically test rttp's take on this style of metal. Again, if you're looking for "black metal" , discover the roots. Work your way up. Anyone that doesn't listen to 1st and 2nd wave bands just doesnt get it.

To be fair, I was never looking for black metal. An acquaintance posted a song online, which I listened to out of curiosity. I ended up really enjoying it, and going out to find the album it came from. I had no preconceived notions of genre, and people seem to be fairly split on whether or not this band strives to produce a "black metal" sound. The only thing that seems evident is black metal being influential on their sound. I am listening to Bathory at the moment, and it doesn't strike me all that well. It seems somewhat contrived, as if its supremely evident that they're going for an 'epic' sound. Not to say that its bad, just not musically intriguing to my ears. I'd just rather spend my time listening to other things, I guess.

The problem with Scion is predatory pricing... smaller DIY labels can't afford to give out free music or put on huge free concerts, so the music of a lot of hard working individuals is left under the radar while Scion gets to use their power to dictate what is cool to us, and to associate their product with fond memories we have of music. It's manipulative and deceitful in every sense of the word and bands who let Scion release their music are throwing the entire underground under the bus.

You type an awful lot like Martins, Martins.

The Bathory I listened to had nice, plodding, easy to groove drums though. Seems like it'd be fun to jam on that.

Okay, that I can understand. But still, its not the first time that bands have opted to take money at the expense of their scene. Not morally altruistic, but understandable nontheless.

If you're referring to me, I'm definitely not Martins. I don't have a username on this site, but I lurk fairly frequently.

If you're into this sound, check out the bands Cold Body Radiation, Liam, Alcest, Les Discrets, and others. For this style of limp wristed metal, the euros are doing it much better.

Maybe they should change their model, but I don't see harm in bands taking free money when it's being offered for playing a few shows and nothing more. You can claim to stick to a certain ethic all you want, but getting paid and not "selling out" sounds like the perfect situation to me.

I didn't like ANY of those bands upon first listen..am I doing it wrong?

I can't shake the subtle feeling that I've been trolled by that list of suggestions..

bennyhillifier


all I can say is LOL!

How were you being trolled? I gave you a list of bands that incorporate heavy use of reverb pedals, put atmosphere in the forefront of their song writing, and have post-rock influence?
WHAT exactly are you looking for? Burst beats over the music?

I'm not looking for anything in particular. Those bands simply don't strike me like Deafheaven has. I suppose to narrow it down I'm not a huge fan of the folk-y elements and clean vocals.

...that's not how you open a beer can?

What about this?


bennyhillifier

Solidly meh. I feel it more than the folky business, at any rate. From what I can glean, though, this isn't at all 'black metal'. It seems almost as if you were to take thrashy/grindy punk and add shoegaze. The drums seem fun though.

ALMOST as if one were to combine a band like Punch, Trap Them, or the_Network with shoegaze driven by atmosphere. If that makes any sense at all.

This solution also ignores the root of the problem, and that problem is that a lot of DIY folks are fucking whiners. You try charging more than $6 for a show, $10 for a shirt, $4 for a 7", it becomes hissy fit central. Prices of gas and well, basically everything else are going up, and if we as a collective could agree to suck it up and pay higher prices in order to sustain our network, we wouldn't need an outside source that doesn't understand the importance of what people sacrifice for their tunes like Scion to step in and fill the void. Accepting corporate help is like saying that DIY is simply not worth saving.

White Capitalist Swine!





bennyhillifier

Anyone remember that awful band I Rise? They were around in the height of the let's play emo and call it "melodic hardcore" era but they were really just a bunch of geeks that acted like they were covering Our God is an Awesome God every single song...

That's what I feel like I just watched.

Well, while I agree with most of what you said, "the root of the problem" is not exactly easy to resolve at all. Try to get more than 3 random people to agree to do anything, it's like fucking rocket science. i bet you ask 10 random people that go to a show to accept what you say, and 7 of them will laugh in your face, and/or say fuck no, I got bills to pay.

Truth of the matter is, prices are going up for everyone, not just bands, and bands, no matter if you think they're great or not, are the ones who sacrifice the most for shows. This is going to sound like me bitching about being in a band, but I don't care. Most bands don't have roadies to load their equipment in and out, most bands don't have a sound guy to make sure they sound like they want to sound, most bands don't get paid to play a show they went an hour+ out of their way to play just so people get to hear them that aren't the same 10-15 people that show up to every other show they play, and if they do get paid, they're lucky if they get more than $20. If Scion approached Crippling Fear tomorrow, and said, "hey, we want you to play a show down in Florida, all expenses paid, and you can play whatever the fuck you want," I'd say fucking sign me up, and I guarantee 99.9% of bands would do the same if given the opportunity, no matter what their beliefs/ethics/morals are.

See, that's my point though! The only difference between what you and I are saying is that you believe it's impossible (or at the very least more difficult than it's worth) for people to work together in the underground without help from a powerful outside source. In all honesty, I wouldn't even mind if there were less people at shows. Get the people looking for a cheap party the fuck out of the scene and give it back to the dedicated fans who will pay whatever it takes to sustain the music. Bands need to be compensated more, I think anyone who cares about music can agree on that. The problem is fucks who don't care. I'd be in favor of more small shows full of people who paid without bitching and actually watch the bands.

Another thing to me is that it's an issue of trust. Scion is being benevolent to us now, but for how long? I don't believe that Scion's intentions are pure and I think it's only a matter of time before they start asking for something back.

Hey, I'm not saying it's impossible. The DIY scene survived and thrived well before Scion came along. What I'm saying is if an "outside source" can help out bands while those bands don't have to let go of what they believe, then I say more power to them.

Also, to respond to the part you said about getting people who aren't dedicated out of the scene, I say that's not the right way to look at it. The reason I say that is the amount of people who are truly dedicated fans are nowhere near as close to the number it was 10-15 years ago. You segregate those who aren't truly dedicated, and bands lose out even more. People who book tend to pay attention to how many people a band can bring in, and the less people that show up, no matter how "dedicated" they are, the less likely a booker will book that band again.

It's all about the bottom line to anyone and everyone now, which is sad, but it's also the absolute truth. So I say, why not accept help from someone who's willing to help without trying to change what you're doing?

I cannot blame you for questioning their motives, but only time will tell there.

You really don't think bands have to give up anything they believe in, eh?

I guess those people have different goals for their music than I do with mine... it's not a perfect world.

does anyone just listen to music anymore? without pounding it into the ground with analysis and genre skepticism...?

penis heaven

NO U

Do you think pop art is any good? Yeah, me neither.

love it

Your arrested.

http://baystaterock.com/phpBB3/

bon appetit.

I'm just surprised the music discussion to pictures of cocks ratio in this thread is more on the discussion side.

hahah whaT THE SHIT? is that board just trolls?

only asking a messageboard for approval to listen to a band is real.

i don't listen to deafheaven. i listen to whatever i want. i don't care who thinks it's cool.

Where's Ghost?

if i never hear the term "black metal" again, i'll die a happy man.

brown metal*

I believe the new term is CutOffShortsWithSlip-onShoeBlackMetal.
CoSwS-oSBM

That was a shot at slag.

I have never BM'ed in my shorts. YOU TAKE THAT BACK ARILLIUSBM

Lol no it wasn't!

My shorts are 100% brownie mountain free.

hahahaha! win.

You've got me wrong. I will continue to listen to Deafheaven no matter what is said in this thread. I just know that this band has generated some controversy so I wanted to gauge the reaction of a forum populated with metal fans. And to get an idea of why they are hated.

Are you there internet? It's me, Margaret.

my mom thinks i'm cool

holy shit, what a bunch of phagz..why is this suppose to be black metal again?

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD. HE REIGNS FROM HEAVEN ABOVE- WITH WISDOM, POWER AND MIGHT,. OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD

haha me and friend used to blast that song in my car in high school. so uplifting.

yeah, look, many bands mix genres effectively. this band may sound great to some people, but old fucks can tell when bands paste shoegaze, post-rock, crust, and blast beats together and call it "atmospheric" and "not black metal, we just like the sound" like they're offering an APOLOGY for writing derivative music. heard this shit a thousand times by different and better bands. i just hear 5 dudes playing nothing much, really loud.

black/salsa version of Our God is An Awesome God

bennyhillifier

or rather, hearing agalloch for the first time, and turning it up to 11.

I'm not old, I'm expereienced.

pop punk black metal

Dumb thread

I've always loved that the only time Herr Ryan is ever serious on this site is when there's a discussion about Hipster BM.

when i listen to this band I sometimes think to myself:

"if i were deaf...

*SUNGLASSES...


I'd be in heaven"


YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

just listened to this band now. meh. all these "post-black" bands are just like all the "post-crust" ones trying to cash in these days. all heaviness/aggressiveness or ambience/epic-ness (or fuck it, actual feeling behind the music) has been totally neutered by over-use of pedal effects and slick production in my opinion. i don't even care that much about the hipster image or how popular they are. just sounds bland to me.

^ THIS

Oh come on, I'm pretty serious about my pederasty too

Haha, that was actually supposed to go like dis:






But Ryan does love courtly BM gossip and kids. And regional seafood dishes. I think we can agree on that.

Halloween this year = I'm gonna dress up like liturgy.

I am yes to cheapen your kvlt

It's the small things in life, really.

Simple pleasures

DYA apparently your cell phone doesn't work anymore.

ITT: simple truths, plainly told

do a facebook ritual about it

bennyhillifier

Just listened to this band for the first time yesterday,



I like what I heard but I'm not in love with it. I looked into a few interviews and I think the only people actually labeling them as a "black metal act" are people reviewing their CD/Demo and others who are suggesting them to their friends.
Don't worry boys, I don't see them touring with 1349 anytime soon!

Just by seeing the album artwork and description I didn't think this band would be that bad or retarded but man this band is ghey as hell. Like what the fuck is that singer thinking being that phaggy on stage? I wish hipster music just stayed with indie alt rock.

The Pecan Tree

wat

Ughhhhhhhh. Gross. I should kick my ass for giving those dudes the benefit of the doubt.

Fight yourself or you're a pussy.

(The whole thing?)

GOOD, FAGGET

it's ok background music. nothing amazing. pretty formulaic

Hey man, it was 2011. We all did some crazy things.

This band are bees and will follow Alcest's route and make happy flower music.

It was a different time. Your weak modern rules didn't apply in that bygone age of heroism.

DYA IS TAKING A BRAVE STAND AGAINST MODERNITY

Didn't they pretty much do that with Sunbather? I've unfortunately been exposed to it once, and it sounded pretty damned happy, if different from Alcest.

WHY DONT YOU FUCKIN LOG IN AND SAY THAT SHIT YOU FUCKIN PUSSY! Oh, wait.

I'VE BEEN LIFTING WEIGHTS AND DOING COCAINE ALL DAY AND I'M READY TO FIGHT YOU!!!

Spence killing it ITT.

I really don't understand how this band got so popular.