http://www.eatinganimals.com/

Buy meat from local farmers who feed their animals what they were meant to eat if it's such a problem

bzzzt. That doesn't matter since you can feed 15 people off the land to feed one on chicken.

I had incredible steak tips last night.

but could you meet the meat before hand?

Hahaha If you want to feed 15 people carbohydrates, incomplete proteins, egregious levels of omega 6, phylates, and lectins. I prefer to keep my macro- and micro-nutrient levels in balance.

It's the circle of life. Humans are on the top of the food chain. You're just in denial.

I went out to Barre, MA a few weeks ago to buy some grassfed meat from this one-man farm. We saw his lands, saw some of his cows and equipment, and bought some fucking tasty meat for a reasonable price.

I would like a tasty meatball like you to go to africa and think that.

You can't compare socio-economic standing to special standing. Poverty almost always leads to malnutrition and, in the US, obesity.

Driving 10 minutes from Worcester to Barre is like crossing 8 state lines.

I was talking about lions martins. Lions would have a big problem with us thinking we were #1.

Yeah, place ruled though and the farmer we met was the fucking man. He would break into a Scottish accent in the middle of sentences. Plus, he fucking raises cattle TO EAT THEM.

Lions can suck my dick.

lol, perhaps you should read more about poaching.

Regardless of the fact that they are an impressive predator, lions die when you shoot them.

To each his own, but I really don't believe that a vegan diet is nutritious - especially from a protein standpoint. Some of my most enjoyable meals were from birds that I shot and wrang their necks, and filleted the meat off their breast. Compassion is for pussies, smart conservation is where it's at.

Except that we have the special evolutionary advantage of symbolic language and thus technology. So lions go RAWR and we go bang.

Everyone go check out these guys and gals. Aside from their caveman diet, I really like the ideas about exercise being modeled of the way kids play. I want a giant adult playground that I can scramble and jump around on.

There is no question that grassfed animals and other naturally raised animals are better tasting and "morally" better.
But I don't care about that shit when I'm hungry and the supermarket is closer than my local butcher.

Oh ya, I forgot about John Durant and that recent NYTimes article and Colbert Report interview. That's basically what I do but I'm not as strict with the dairy. It's just eating real food and working out to create a balanced body structure. Been doing it for almost 6 months now.

For me the moral part is kind of a bonus. I eat grassfed because the animals have a proper ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 (about 1:1) and because they are more nutritious over all. More Vitamin D etc etc.

When I do buy storebought meat, I take an omega-3 supp to make up for the omega-6s.

I don't know what your area is like martins, but if you live in an urban area and want to run around but feel like you're in bare feet I suggest Vibram 5 Fingers. They look kinda hokey but I got a pair last fall and they're great for running on everything up to hard gravel and asphalt.

I don't like Vibrams. Tried a pair on a few weeks ago and it's too weird. I've been wearing Feelmax Pankas for over a month now though. They're another company that makes barefoot shoes but they look more like shoes. Really cool stuff and I notice a huge difference in my gait, foot, and leg strength.

They have barefoot boots too? No way.

I need to see if they retail anywhere around here.

You can order from Amazon too though the sizes differ slightly from Vibram. I'm a 43 for Feelmax but somewhere between a 42 and a 43 for Vibram.

200% agree

lol you buy organic shoes too?

They're not organic, they just feel like you're not wearing anything on your feet.

I don't think they're organic. The soles are still rubber just really thin and really flexible. I can feel the ground underfoot and shit, it just doesn't hurt me if I step on glass or something.

The same can be said about people... and a paradox.

I like that the born to run and eating animals threads have crossed streams. I wanted to get a set of vibrams since I started running barefoot in the fall, but they look QUEER ARE FUCK and are $80.

Feelmax. You can find them for about 60-70. Still don't condone long-distance running.

I started running down railroad tracks and downtown barefoot, but i find you have to avoid too many things since you are barefoot, but it just feels better. I'm only looking to run 2-3 miles.

That sounds fucking horrible...then again I have flat feet, so I'm always feeling horrible.

You have flat feet because of shoes. It's a shitty cycle. I never had flat feet but since wearing barefoot shoes, my arch is even higher and stronger.

I have flat feet because I was born with shitty feet and shoes made them shittier.

LOL Does it matter?

Nothing matters. Only pain.

I don't know. I had pretty persistent lower back pain before and since going barefoot, it's all gone.

Yeah but you never had flat feet, so fuck you.

weird, too bad there isn't a book about that martins. I should write it and call it born to um.. soemthing.

Well there ya go. Everyone's physique is different. I've had flat feet since I was born but they never bothered me when I played sports. You're not supposed to run flat-footed anyway. It ain't the shoes.

Doesn't change the fact that it's fixable.

I'm too lazy to read all of that. I'd rather sit on my ass all day and complain.

You're still a vegetarian right? What made you do that? More curious than anything else. I make fun of my other vegetarian friend but that's because he's a douchebag.

Lies. Cloud eats meat.

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Oh... Your jokes just get funnier with time. Like a fine wine.

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I went vegetarian for a few reasons: first I stopped liking the taste of most meat, followed by the way it made me feel, and of course leading to the lack of desire to eat meat, all accompanying my disgust towards factory farms. I personally couldn't bring myself to kill an animal either, unless it was for the sole reason of survival so I decided it was best for me to pursue a vegetarian lifestyle. For the record, I will never go vegan. I like dairy and eggs waaaay too much.

Oh well, more meat for me!

Correct.

Awesome. Making Lamb Heart later this week and having an antelope shoulder roast this weekend. If only Hoser could see me now.

is there a cure for dick curve?

Yes. Barefoot condoms.

And if we expand population fifteenfold, and reduce animal habitats that much more, how long before all the animals are extinct?

Yeah, it's almost as if Rev doesn't realize what natural fertilizers are made of LOL
Read "The Vegetarian Myth" by Lierre Keith, ya'll Breatharians

Hey, what do you think those animals WE eat are eating? We are tertiary eaters: Everything we eat has eaten something else. If a cattle eats pesticide cud, and you eat a steak, then you just ate a whole bucket full of creature that's brimming with poison.

Do some reading.

Who cares? Tastes good. I eat insects. They are high in protein. I don't care if they thrive around shit. I'll eat that too.

I'm shooting on becoming a vegetarian this summer. I would start now but I'm trying to gain weight and that's probably the worst idea. I don't want to eat meat because I'm fagcore and suck.

I really don't care about what some vegan thinks about me or any other human being that does what humans as animals do, EAT MEAT.

Martins needs to post a before and after pic.

Somethings I expect to see in the after pic:
-arched foot
-smaller gut
-haircut
-an snes in the background instead of emulating
-a girl somewhere in the photo
-a muscle slam band shirt
-the original Sydofex lineup in the background

I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain so I could eat at the bottom!!!

I agree that eating meat from unknown sources is a relatively roulette-esque activity. However feeding animals that normally would eat grasses and grains in the wild more refined versions of those (ie: domesticated crops) does not pose a problem.

Concentration of biomass can and does lead to problems with pesticides, mercury and other fun things but that doesn't make it inherently bad. Nothing inherently bad with vegetarianism/veganism either.

Talk to me before you do that please.

before and after pics plz

@ToC
I have done the reading and the watching. Take a gander at Food Inc. Great documentary. I told you that I eat grass fed as often as possible. Grass fed is, by nature, organic and antibiotic free and usually processed at small family run processing plants (Caledoina farms, the place where I bought my grass-fed steak, processes their steaks at a very small family-run processor). I'm quite aware that the food industry is a disgusting mess but that doesn't mean you don't have a choice in how healthy you want to be. It just has to be a priority... or not.

Don't have a very accurate before picture. Worst one is ten pounds lighter than I was at my heaviest. But I've lost 40 pounds since starting in late September 2009. I'm in the best shape of my life so far (which isn't saying much really) and I haven't been sick since starting (despite people around me having been sick multiple times). I can post an after pic but there isn't really an after. I plan to eat like this for the rest of my life.

You almost sound like a born again Christian except food is your new religion.

Maybe except that I don't really care how you eat. I just like to educate. Except that I made everything up.

What about when you're raising a family? Are you going to stay away from processed baby food, etc?
My problem with eating healthy is that it's so fucking expensive. I don't like spending more than 70 bucks at a food store.

I don't spend more than about 70 dollars a week on food. Usually closer to 50. I also only eat once a day so that cuts on costs too. Eggs + meat + broccoli + brussel sprouts is my favorite dinner.

And yes, I plan to raise a healthy family. If I ever meet a dude who would want to adopt a Filipino boy with me. I mean uh...

you didn't claw anything.

Not to fuck up your program, but you would do better eating smaller meals more often. Easier for the body to digest than just 1 giant meal.

Martins has grass fed man boobs.

Yeah, that's a common misconception. You're talking about the thermogenic effect of food which says that a certain amount of calories gets converted to a certain amount of energy. If a person were to consume 3000 calories over the course of 6 meals they would create the same amount of energy as a person who consumed 3000 calories at one meal. The problem becomes that 6-mealer is not letting the energy from the previous meal be depleted and is actually losing energy.

This is aside from the fact that fasting puts your body in a more alert state. I almost never feel tired during the day anymore because of it. Nevermind that by the end of the day, I'm deep into ketosis, burning purely stored fat for fuel.

Says the man whose dick I've touched and who hasn't seen me since the summer.

This thread just keeps getting more gay by the post.

True that.

i ran into grant on chatroulette it was hot.

Martins how gay was that picture carlos tagged us in?

So gay. That girl looks like Lydia. Did you meet/meat Lydia?

A girl named Lydia? I'm assuming she in 90 years old. If she's not 90, then she should be.

she's like 18 or 19 or something. Deal with it.

Nope, but I know someone who is going to school with her from AHS. weird story.

get smushed

What about all of the animals that your harvests kill? Moles, voles, rabbits, bird species...all collateral damage to your gay diet. AND, vital to our eco-system, I might add.

Don't forget the complete razing of the land where wildlife would have thrived. I'm sure even Hoser would get some enjoyment out of reading The Vegetarian Myth.

To be fair, the feed required to raise livestock needs to come from those same grain farms that killed all the moles and associated wildlife.

Unfortunately, usually more humans = bad for biodiversity no matter how you cut it. We need less of us or somewhere else to put us.

so.... killing 15x more of those voles is better?

I want to read a book call the vagina myth.

Oh of course. In general, our food industry is royally fucked up. Like I said a few times already today. Grass fed wins.

so martins then eat grass.

There are more things than our food industry that is fucked up.

I never said it was the only thing that's fucked up but it's definitely the one that hits closest to home. Anyone who buys mass produced food and eats it is directly affected - first person involvement. Unless of course you feel your every day civil liberties being suppressed.

Read Animal Liberation. Or you're not a pussy.

Vegetarian agendas are fucked up.

Peter Singer's agenda makes perfect sense to me and is the opposite of fuck up. NIGGER.

I'm currently eating microwavable meat from walmart and I can still have boners. Oh no, that makes me evil.

Oh well, I only care because it's you and we used to suck Composted's dick together.

I can walk to a place that'll sell me grain-fed, 100% organic local beef at $5-7 a pound.

And it is worth. Tastes at least twice as good as the $4/lb supermarket beef.

Eating meat isn't the problem. TOO MANY PEOPLE is.

soylent green

good ol Texas.

FUCK THAT PAGE!!

it just made my computer crash.... and asked me if i was SURE that i wanted to delete my system32 folder. I did.

I meant to say my ancestors.

But in all honesty I rarely eat meat, too expensive and it makes me sick sometimes, nor does it taste half as good as it used to...probably because I know how it's made now.

Bison though, my mouth waters at the thought of it.

Its not that Peter Singer's philosophy doesn't make sense, I just think he's wrong about the extent to which he takes utilitarianism.

If one is going to put the pain of animals grown for food in a certain category one should also put all pain-feeling beings in that category. And pain is such a vague term that plants could easily be put in this category with their trauma-response systems.

that website oozes pretentious faggotry as well.

whoah, the author is on colbert.

he looks like where's waldo.

lol i have to see that re-run.

just saw that, you should read Michael Pollan's book In Defense of Food

very informative, excellent writer, it's mostly about how western food like your cheerioes and canned spaghetti and big macs has undermined traditional diets, which is why we are all over weight ant 70 percent of the population will develop diabetes in the next 30 years.

He mostly focuses on how modern food science is all lies and marketing used to give us more food but basically less useful food, IE quantity of quality.
This is by the same dude who wrote omnivore's dilemma

My philosophy is that War, Famine, Disease, Disasters, Overcrowded cities, Pollution, and other modern ailments are not the problem.

Too many people is.

I am a strong advocate of massive global die off of the human species.

Obviously I hope Europe and NE are spared as well as obvious portions of each ethnicity, culture, and language

push the button for the greater good. do it, faggot.

that's racist.

You guys sound like true NWO followers. I applaud and agree.

HOWEVER

humanity should have colonized the oceans a long time ago. Certain technologies, with enough funding, could have easily sustained the worlds population for shelter and food. But alas, greed and other negative attributes of humans have led to our decline, which we are ultimately witnessing as each day passes.

The calling of WWIII is here. Massive population loss is over due. economic recovery wad a benefit of large scale wars in the past (wwi, WWII)
but it won't work this time around. Global society is indeed doomed, as the population class chasm grows larger and larger.
You're either a survivor, or you're doomed. The next two years will be a huge bridge in the develepment of our species.

i wanna read that book Food Rules instead.

Just in case something does happen, contact me in case. I have a post-Armageddon plan in place.

It's called Heavens Gate.

Technically, per population magnitude the world is experiencing the most peaceful time in history, but those numbers are skewed by overpopulated modern hubs....I think it's a much slower decline. 200 years. Water crisis, modern divide, corporatism, resources, it takes time. China essentially blocked anything from happening at the recent climate summit to protect their growing industrial age. Every superpower should have pledged trillions to ensure the well being of first and third world infrastructure, sustainability, and so on and so on... but they didn't, nothing happened. So, here we go. Space colonization is far off, but yeah the tech has been there, oceans should have been colonized decades ago. Sustainable ecosystems, endless water supply... anyway, there's a crunch coming, you'll get what you wish for. Conditions to facilitate evolution.

Fundamentalists, greed, individual interests....they outweigh any altrusitic thing you've ever done. A species with a massive spectrum like us is fucked from the start. My band doesn't say WAR ON EARTH FOR ALL TIME because we like the sound of it.

Unity and peace is certainly not attainable with the ignorance and selfishness our species currently displays.

As President Reagan boldly stated, perhaps we need a threat of an alien invasion the fully unite as a species and defend our only home.

bullshit..you know you liket he sound of it. .lol

It sounds like shit.

haha, well i don't hate it

(in monotonous unison) The Greater Good

9 BILLION people means a lot of shitty women.

anyone want to watch man vs food now?
i do!

I've been thinking this since I was small.

Eat up, sport.

Looks like a dick.

Perceptive, you are.

Still would eat.

Haha.

I'm pretty sure that Martins came out of the closet on rttp through sparse subtleties every so often. His self-proclaimed crush on Locke from FF3(6) is somewhat respectible, given the fact Locke saves Celes -and ultimately the world -through his elite skills in cross dressing and espionage.

I don't think I ever said anything about Locke. Edgar was my favorite.

Also, I am probably gay.

It is so funny enjoying the theories of new world orders and such from grindcore losers posting on a METAL MESSAGE BOARD. These are the halls of power.

wow, news to me there's more than one NWO.

He was talking about those commies. Now let the good times roll. Meet ya on the soft shoulder.