A topic for curiosity. It's easy enough to know what you don't like, but what would you like to see instead?

An anti-monopoly based conservative Capitalist US with a minimalist foreign policy and standard-based, non-fiat currency controlled by the government, not a third party bank.


small buisiness would flourish, taxes wouldn't burden the people, our money would stay at competative value, agriculture and engineering ventures would flourish, and lower middle class teenagers wouldn't haveto be killed for the benefit of our un-electable dept. of defense.

Yup.

A totalitarian state run by the god-king Rich Bova

worldwide communism

Me and PJ Orourke would agree on this.

Socialism and communism fails EVERY time.

The posterboy for socialism is Sweden, and thier system is broken.

and look what communism did to europe look at russian and brittish-leland exports around the cold war.

containable capitalism, gold-standard money, and minimalist war profiteering are the only way. Pax Romada anyone?

A ruling slave-state with the Draconian Overlords controlling our planet.

According to the International Monetary Fund, Sweden's GDP is ranked 9th in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

America is 15th. I say their system works.

No sense in comparing any two countries.

Let's put it bluntly: Human Civilization is on a decline. We've been digging ourselves deeper and deeper into a hole for well over 100 years. With the incorporation of a globalized society, it has affected every single person on this planet (except those indiginous crowds in the rainforests) whether they want to accept it our not. We don't think about what's going to benefit human civilization - we only think about what's going to benefit ourselves.
Monetary Systematic practices are a complete failure and we are all slaves to the elite.
If we want to save the world, we have to strike a stake into the heart of the elite, and expose the fraud and oligarchy that is destroying the human species everyday.
One may call it a dream, but others belive it is attainable. We have to start from scratch and move foward. But sadly, it's never going to happen. Wait till you see what the world will be like 50 years from now.

I hope the world burns. What happens to people in this life is relative anyway because of free will. People will always place their trust in money and it gets them nowhere. It doesn't prolong death. When you die, the money stays here but you rot in the ground.

Yea that's REALLY appealing. So all in all fuck money.

Postulating ideals is for democrats.

I believe the logic is that the money you leave behind helps take care of your family after you're gone.

I think it's longer than that, but the last four hundred have been the worst since our technology has made it easier. Regardless, well said.

More detail:
http://www.amerika.org/2009/globalism/how-well-move-into-tyranny/




South American rainforest people are not indigenous.



There's a causal relationship between those two. Do you agree?

So where did they come from, the sky? I'm pretty sure that the Maya and Inca were living in South America for quite some time, and those are the people that now comprise the smaller tribes found in the rainforest.

Satanic theocracy means you go in the oven.

Maya, Inca, Aztec: proto-Japanese, possibly Ainu

Other Amerinds, Inuit: Siberian proto-Mongolians

Pacific Islands people: proto-Chinese

Take a look in thier red before they became a democratic monarchy. National debt was hillarious.

and so wasn't the ethnic clensing, health care system, pre-wed pregnancy rates, sterilization chapter, etc.

Not a place I'd consider a model for government.

The ideal system works like this. Watch the pilot episode of the Lone Gunmen on Fox. Steal the idea of crashing planes and bombing buildings. Actually crash planes into buildings. Rally up the white trash. Then invade countries like as if you were playing risk. Then 8 years later rally up the white trash women with promises of a woman leader. Then rally up the black american population with promises of a black leader. Make people identify with race, ethnicity, and gender and promise good representation for each. And for the children, well, make myspaces, facebooks, and other sites where surveys about drug use could be sent around and collect for the american psychological association in attempts to keep guard and tally how much is being ingested and how much will continue to circulate and of course, well, start flagging people. Then make it socially acceptable to turn personal journals into not-so-personal journals and present them to the public. Oh and lets not forget let play with a token society and really get people good. Make things like milk, juice, and even water and gas go up in price, then down in price, then up in price, then down in price. Then allow televangelist to gather up everyones hard earned money to give out mircale mana and miracle water/handkerchiefs and keep that false hope alive for people that know that the system is not in their favor so they can blame it on the supernatural since they just down right dont understand the "Natural". ...and then repeat every 100 hundred years just long enough for peoples grandparents to die off and not remind their grandchildren of what to avoid and how to kill those that need to be avoided. Trust me it works and is fool proof...

Sweden became a Constitutional Monarchy on August 20, 1772 (although the strength of parliament ebbed for a number of decades after that point). I don't see how the Republic that preceded Gustav III's new constitution could have implemented Socialism and had it fail considering that economic theory wouldn't emerge for another 50 some odd years. Sweden has become more prosperous since removing political power from the monarchy in the 1970s and somehow managed to put together a strong economy with the Social Democrats as the dominant political party in Swedish politics, just as they had been before 1974.

technoracy.

^^^ never ever goes wrong ^^^
machines done make msitakes

The actual ideal government is totalitarian mind control state run by you.

With a totalitarian mind control state you can make whatever failed ideology you embrace a reality! This is why Sid Meier's Civilization is the best thing ever.

I LOVE that game. Civ IV is the shit.

Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

SHUT UP.
SHUT UP.
YOU.

I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
put me away!

Compassionate Feudalism

luxembourg

me

Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Old woman!

MAN!

Zod.

yes zod will be our leader. for eternity.

I can get behind that.

Can we be honest and say that no government will work because the people who run it/vote in those who run it are the problem? Really, every single option tried so far has been wrought with corruption and greed. Pure capitalism doesn't serve the general public best because corporations won't regulate themselves and pure communism won't work because the people who are supposed to implement the plan never give up power. I don't know what kind of plan will work. Doubtful we could handle anarchy because, again, people aren't all ready to work together without some sort of Big Brother watching them to keep them in line. Perhaps I need to look into the few other options that have been mentioned here but so far it appears the real issue is "us". We can't seem to create a plan where in the majority benefit without sacrificing growth and prosperity.

While I agree with this, certain types of governments encourage certain types of behaviors.

Your response is classic eugenicist (that's not a bad thing, even if The Crowd is terrified by it).

People quality and values (culture) are more important than bureaucratic methods.

LENINISM

Oddly enough, I don't believe you and I have ever agreed about anything until now! However, as I get older, I've become more and more disenchanted with Liberalism. Not that I don't "feel" it is the best or that with the appropriate people involved and the right circumstances it could work, but the ideals seem to challenge basic human nature too much to be taken seriously. How we would get around that and somehow teach true altruism in a global culture is beyond me. I look forward to a day when public and private interests can co-exist without having to monitor eachother's every move and benefit the majority in a truly palpable way, but I'm not holding my breath. People are so greedy and value wealth to the most disgusting degree that I highly doubt in my life time I'll see any harmonious synergy between the public and private interest.

...nice suffocation referance.

but i might response to this would have to be bova.

Siberia. Therefore, they are not indigenous. Furthermore, it's not clear they were the only group to migrate there.

I went down a similar path. Eventually, I stopped thinking in human terms and started to figure out why nature designed things the way they are. Much more became clear at that point. I'm still not a rabid capitalist social darwinist, but I'm definitely anti-liberal... it isn't realistic, and non-realistic things cause huge social problems. This isn't to say (apropos of your comments re: "feel") that I don't agree with a lot of liberal causes on aesthetic grounds. Smashing big media, environmental conservation, treating people fairly are good by me but raising herds of parasites is not.