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New site? Maybe some day. Username: SPAM Filter: re-type this (values are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E, or F) Message: UBB enabled. HTML disabled Spam Filtering enabledIcons: (click image to insert) Show All - pop Select Color orange orange-red crimson red firebrick dark red green limegreen teal silver sea-green deeppink tomato coral purple indigo burlywood sandy brown sienna chocolate FONTXXSmallXSmallSmallMediumLargeXLXXL :DG: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Char† ‡ ‰ ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ ‾ ← ↑ → ↓ ™ – —   ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ­ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À Á Â Ã Ä Å Æ Ç È É Ê Ë Ì Í Î Ï Ð Ñ Ò Ó Ô Õ Ö × Ø Ù Ú Û Ü Ý Þ ß à á â ã ä å æ ç è é ê ë ì í î ï ð ñ ò ó ô õ ö ÷ ø ù ú û ü ý þ ÿ b i u  add: url  image  video(?) : post by Mutis at 2011-08-04 18:23:45 haupty said [orig][quote] libertarians are inherently socially liberal and fiscally conservative are they not? They want total freedom (socially liberal) and tiny gov with low operating expenses (fiscal conservative). They are so conservative in their views on gov, and liberal in their views on freedom that they are almost anarchistic, and I meet plenty of former anarchists who hop the libertarian train when they reach their belated adolescence... something Mr. Paul has been stuck in for 70 years. Libertarianism is basically laissez faire anarchism with greed. I think the majority of anarchists believe in the ideologies of anarchism but understand that an anarchist society is a pipe dream. Another difference is that the path to libertarianism is made by runaway capitalism with little or no government, and the path to anarchism and marxism is supposedly made by a forming a temporary socialist government which eventually dissolves into nothing, leaving only a greedless, cooperative, free society. In the current setting of the world, anarchism might be a lot more unrealistic than libertarianism, but the libertarian model has two big hypocracies (at least as described to me by libertarians) because 1) it not only allows, but encourages those with money and the means of production to take advantage of and threaten the rights of the proletariat, and 2) big government will still exist in the form of plutocracy and with pacified consumers and no other entity to keep it in check, it could eventually mutate into an authoritarian or fascist state—kinda like being screwed by your mechanic, except there's no BBB and it's on a much bigger scale. At least that's how I see them.

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