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[QUOTE="JustinSteele:835266"]I think one of the most profoundly misunderstood things in this country is taxation. The Reverend hit it right on the head when he said wealth is only accumulated because of the access to infrastructure. We, or the government, which ever you prefer, have created that infrastructure in some of the most profound ways imaginable and mostly through the use of tax money/government subsidies (aka taxes). This means that there is a responsibility to give back from those who put you where you are, much like the conditions of a loan. Even more importantly, there is also responsibility to take care of those who do the grunt work. If you look at economics from a bottom up perspective, you realize quickly that without a healthy majority, there quickly develops a gross disproportionate distribution of wealth to the top. Eventually, any system based on greed and selfishness chokes itself to death: if the people have no money to spend, nothing is consumed because nothing is affordable. Here's where the government steps in and "levels the playing field" by saying you have to provide a living wage for your workers and you need to contribute to the society that is creating this wealth for you. Whether you like it or not, there is a necessary amount of reciprocity needed to make capitalism work. This whole Freidman/Regan/Thatcher idea of unfettered free market system is truly ridiculous. You can't just suggest that the wealthy will adequately govern themselves and look out for their employees. It didn't work in the industrial build up of this country and it isn't working now. Government needs to step in and be a voice for those who do not own the means of production (gasp! a Marxist tenant!). This is how we got lunch breaks, paid vacations, 8 hour work days, safe working conditions and a myriad of other benefits. You can guarantee if the conservatives had their way these would be completely stripped away as fast as possible. Why do you think they go off shore for manufacturing jobs in the first place? The government (i.e. "us") have created a system with rules that you have to follow and the conservative movement in this country has done everything it can to take the power of negotiations out of the hands of the many and into the hands of few. If you don’t understand the basic principal that the representative government is us and is therefore our best representative defense against an oligarchic system, then you simply don’t understand economics.[/QUOTE]
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