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:	post by ShadowSD at 2006-03-23 03:46:09

Clearly I'm boring at least Scoracrasia with my long-windedness and constant quoting, so I will keep my answers clear, concise, and brief (which is probably one reason my original points to Hoser were so effective)

They didn't show any close-ups as to who was laughing, just a wide shot followed by reaction shots from Powell as he tried to continue, clearly both frustrated and embarassed. I don't see how you can automatically assume that laughing at a lie implies a bias towards dictatorships; I found what Powell was saying laughable as well, based on the believability of his evidence contrasted with common sense and a basic understanding of the world.

I understand that "lesser of two evils" is realist. However, I think that givem the way we went about pursuing 1980's Iran/Iraq policy, assuming it would work was not realistic. You can't be in tune with reality unless you consider long-term consequences, taking into account the variable of time. I believe one thing that makes me a realist is the fact that I'm concerned with the realistic conclusions of policies, not just my idealistic hopes about what will result from my realistic assessment of a particular moment. I will stop beating this point to death, though; here, we can agree to disagree.

As I said above, I could believe reports that say Bin Laden sought Iraq backing in the mid-90's, and Iraq never responded, since as you said Al Qaeda will do whatever they have to to achieve their goals. I can believe Al Qaeda could have sought a partnership with Iraq. I cannot believe Iraq would have sought a partnership with Al Qaeda. That's where it all failed the common sense test.

When it comes to what we Americans hear about our own country from our own news media, we are always at a greater risk of hearing pro-US propaganda than anti-US propaganda. The less you are aware of it, the more subtlely and pervasively it's occuring. We should never be nieve enough to assume that just because we have the most democratic nation in the history of the world, that we are immune to the lessons of history. Our existence as a nation is always a constant journey towards our founding ideals, never an absolute manifestation, and blind patriotism is at best chronic stagnancy in that journey, and at worst outright regression.

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